Off Topic BREXIT

[Walter Sobchak]

Who's going to hold the German masters back if we don't like what they are doing Walter

We can leave whenever we want. The lines not been crossed for me yet.

 

[Edelman]

Would the Germans make their cars more expensive for us? The frogs deny us their wine? We will trade or they will lose jobs and vote their own countries out

You still have to include immigration with any EU trade deal.
Ask Sweden, Swiss Norway.
You dont just pull up a drawbridge put 2 fingers up and say **** the foreigners although plenty would.
I dont trust a right wing Tory bunch of ****ers one bit on workers rights.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

Seriously? How about as a trade-off for something else? Do you really think things are writ in stone?

Everything is up for grabs in the EU; out of the EU we, the voters have some semblance of control and I like that. I don't fully trust politicians, any of the ****ers; they're as bad as football club communications / marketing managers.

I don't think it will make a difference if we vote out. The only thing that will happen is that our economy will go tits up for a few years and then we'll probably be alright again - but I'm just about to exchange on my first house and I don't want any unknown variables ****ing it up.

 

[Fez]

How tedious is this thread?

Glad we don't do politics because this is utter bollocks.

A load of boring, self opinionated ****s spraffing off about how other boring, self opinionated ****s are wrong and they are right.

Bore the **** off.

There's only one poster being boring and self-opinionated ...

... Oh, hang on, this is one of them clever irony posts, innit!

 

[Edelman]

Hull isn't a town.
And it certainly bears no resemblance to Middlesborough or Carlisle.
Blame Labour and particular John Prescott for the continued non investment in our infrastructure. We had a man in the room at no. 10 the important meetings for a decade or so, but the Prestatyn oaf was too busy sniffing his fingers after his nights at Mr Chu's all you can eat buffets or heavy petting his secretary's fadge , to be putting forward the case for more investment in our area.

I actually dont take any notice of what you think.
Hope that helps.

 

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Great post.

 

[Edelman]

I understand the likes of London seeing the benefits of Leave but not Hull folk who are seeing a lot of EU investment.

 

[Trau Morgus]

We can leave whenever we want. The lines not been crossed for me yet.

It's unlikely that another referendum will happen anytime soon. 'Now' really is the time to change things.

Once we go, it's only a matter of time before other countries' citizens demand their own referendums. Vote leave. Vote for real people.

 

[Spook]

I think an out vote would set more of a tone of intolerance towards other nationalities.
And anybody that thinks any of this so called extra money ( if thats true ) would reach any further than the M25 will be disapointed.
If anybody watched the BBC. 2 part documentary a couple of years ago called Mind the Gap.
It was about the money getting taken from all over the Country to pay for Crossrail and other projects in London.
Evan Davis asked Boris if the money should be spread out throughout the Country.
He said no it should all be piled up in London.
Towns like Hull Middlesboro carlisle will suffer more.

Then Yorkshire should declare its independence from the UK. I'm being somewhat serious. States with smaller populations are easier to govern. Look at the likes of Denmark, Norway, Iceland etc. These countries have populations no bigger than six million. Yorkshire itself has a population of 5.2 million, Scotland 5.3 million and Wales 3 million. When our current politicians focus on the economy they emphasise the importance of growth. Growth means the increase of GDP but that means very little if it doesn't directly correlate with our living standards. Our GDP is higher than the Scandinavian countries' combined but their standard of living is better than ours and their GDP per capita is higher than ours.

My views on nation states are similar to J. R. R. Tolkien's, who was a self-professed philosophical anarchist. That nation states shouldn't exist, at least large ones. That countries in a geographical rather than political sense should be as small as possible and governed locally. I advocate regionalism and direct democracy. It might be idealistic and far-fetched but the first step to even attempt to make this transition would be to leave the EU, which is a highly centralised bureaucracy itself.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

I understand the likes of London seeing the benefits of Leave but not Hull folk who are seeing a lot of EU investment.

Well unfortunately JE that investment has been late in coming. This city was founded on an industry knee capped and decapitated by the EU. I read today as well that British MEP's had voted against laws regarding ports across Europe, their vote against being to do with having to offer bunkering and associated work to all and sundry, someone will know more about this. Their vote as with everything else counted for **** all..!!!

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

Growth means the increase of GDP but that means very little if it doesn't directly correlate with our living standards. Our GDP is higher than the Scandinavian countries' combined but their standard of living is better than ours and their GDP per capita is higher than ours.

But their debt isn't 90% of their GDP Voltaire..

 

[Edelman]

Then Yorkshire should declare its independence from the UK. I'm being somewhat serious. States with smaller populations are easier to govern. Look at the likes of Denmark, Norway, Iceland etc. These countries have populations no bigger than six million. Yorkshire itself has a population of 5.2 million, Scotland 5.3 million and Wales 3 million. When our current politicians focus on the economy they emphasise the importance of growth. Growth means the increase of GDP but that means very little if it doesn't directly correlate with our living standards. Our GDP is higher than the Scandinavian countries' combined but their standard of living is better than ours and their GDP per capita is higher than ours.

My views on nation states are similar to J. R. R. Tolkien's, who was a self-professed philosophical anarchist. That nation states shouldn't exist, at least large ones. That countries in a geographical rather than political sense should be as small as possible and governed locally. I advocate regionalism and direct democracy. It might be idealistic and far-fetched but the first step to even attempt to make this transition would be to leave the EU, which is a highly centralised bureaucracy itself.

With or without the EU we live in a massive Lobdoncentric society.
Its obscene to see that London gets over 1,500% more per head in Arts grants

 

[DMD]

I understand the likes of London seeing the benefits of Leave but not Hull folk who are seeing a lot of EU investment.

Where does the EU get the money from?

 

[Carmine Galante.]

You dont have to read it.

And you don't have to respond to my post.

See what I did there?

 

[Trau Morgus]

How tedious is this thread?

Glad we don't do politics because this is utter bollocks.

A load of boring, self opinionated ****s spraffing off about how other boring, self opinionated ****s are wrong and they are right.

Bore the **** off.

It's really not tho. It's a great debate on probably the biggest voting issue any of us will ever have.

Not only that but it's great to hear normally unallowed political thoughts from fellow posters. Gives a great insight.

This is a bloody good thread tbf.

 

[City Man]

I understand the likes of Hull seeing the benefits of Leave but not London folk who are seeing a lot of EU investment.

Corrected for you.

 

[Spook]

Where does the EU get the money from?

Considering our contribution in 2015 was £17.8 billion and our rebate was around £4.9 billion, we've given the EU £12.9 billion.

 

[modnrock]

You still have to include immigration with any . Same result they lose trade trade deal.
Ask Sweden, Swiss Norway.
You dont just pull up a drawbridge put 2 fingers up and say **** the foreigners although plenty would.
I dont trust a right wing Tory bunch of ****ers one bit on workers rights.

If they include things we dont desire then we would have to buy other cars and wine from somewhrte else

 

[Edelman]

Where does the EU get the money from?

At least somes coming back here.
Do you seriously think we ll see any with an exit.
This goverment is already cutting most funding.
Ian Duncan Smith even said about 3 months ago when he had his bust upvthat the government is deliberately ignoring non Tory voting towns n councils.

 

[DMD]

Considering our contribution in 2015 was £17.8 billion and our rebate was around £4.9 billion, we've given the EU £12.9 billion.

So it's not so much EU funding, but them passing us a little bit of our money back and telling us how to spend it.