Off Topic BREXIT

We can leave whenever we want. The lines not been crossed for me yet.

 

You still have to include immigration with any EU trade deal.
Ask Sweden, Swiss Norway.
You dont just pull up a drawbridge put 2 fingers up and say **** the foreigners although plenty would.
I dont trust a right wing Tory bunch of ****ers one bit on workers rights.

 

I don't think it will make a difference if we vote out. The only thing that will happen is that our economy will go tits up for a few years and then we'll probably be alright again - but I'm just about to exchange on my first house and I don't want any unknown variables ****ing it up.

 

There's only one poster being boring and self-opinionated ...

... Oh, hang on, this is one of them clever irony posts, innit!

 

I actually dont take any notice of what you think.
Hope that helps.

 

Great post.

 

I understand the likes of London seeing the benefits of Leave but not Hull folk who are seeing a lot of EU investment.

 

It's unlikely that another referendum will happen anytime soon. 'Now' really is the time to change things.

Once we go, it's only a matter of time before other countries' citizens demand their own referendums. Vote leave. Vote for real people.

 

Then Yorkshire should declare its independence from the UK. I'm being somewhat serious. States with smaller populations are easier to govern. Look at the likes of Denmark, Norway, Iceland etc. These countries have populations no bigger than six million. Yorkshire itself has a population of 5.2 million, Scotland 5.3 million and Wales 3 million. When our current politicians focus on the economy they emphasise the importance of growth. Growth means the increase of GDP but that means very little if it doesn't directly correlate with our living standards. Our GDP is higher than the Scandinavian countries' combined but their standard of living is better than ours and their GDP per capita is higher than ours.

My views on nation states are similar to J. R. R. Tolkien's, who was a self-professed philosophical anarchist. That nation states shouldn't exist, at least large ones. That countries in a geographical rather than political sense should be as small as possible and governed locally. I advocate regionalism and direct democracy. It might be idealistic and far-fetched but the first step to even attempt to make this transition would be to leave the EU, which is a highly centralised bureaucracy itself.

 

Well unfortunately JE that investment has been late in coming. This city was founded on an industry knee capped and decapitated by the EU. I read today as well that British MEP's had voted against laws regarding ports across Europe, their vote against being to do with having to offer bunkering and associated work to all and sundry, someone will know more about this. Their vote as with everything else counted for **** all..!!!

 

But their debt isn't 90% of their GDP Voltaire..

 

With or without the EU we live in a massive Lobdoncentric society.
Its obscene to see that London gets over 1,500% more per head in Arts grants

 

Where does the EU get the money from?

 

And you don't have to respond to my post.

See what I did there?

 

It's really not tho. It's a great debate on probably the biggest voting issue any of us will ever have.

Not only that but it's great to hear normally unallowed political thoughts from fellow posters. Gives a great insight.

This is a bloody good thread tbf.

 

Corrected for you.

 

Considering our contribution in 2015 was £17.8 billion and our rebate was around £4.9 billion, we've given the EU £12.9 billion.

 

If they include things we dont desire then we would have to buy other cars and wine from somewhrte else

 

At least somes coming back here.
Do you seriously think we ll see any with an exit.
This goverment is already cutting most funding.
Ian Duncan Smith even said about 3 months ago when he had his bust upvthat the government is deliberately ignoring non Tory voting towns n councils.

 

So it's not so much EU funding, but them passing us a little bit of our money back and telling us how to spend it.