Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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Sir Cheshire Ben said:
In my opinion the argument for staying in revolves around protection. Protecting our rights as workers (maternity/paternity pay, equal pay, paid leave, rest breaks etc). I think the Conservatives will rip apart the EWTD at the first opportunity. They've already started making it easier for employees to sack people.

Protecting us as consumers. Food labeling. The right to return goods to anywhere in the EU if it fails, up to two years after purchase. The right to cancel an agreement in the first seven days. Mis-leading advertising is prohibited & products must be safe. Consumers are free to take goods throughout the EU without paying excise duty on the goods.

Protecting & improving our environment. The Urban Waste Water Treatment Directive has ensured our rivers have improved dramatically over the last 30 years. We now have otters & other wildlife, once again, thriving in our waterways & countryside. Other legislation has ensured our sulphur emissions have been vastly reduced meaning the problem of acid rain has also reduce dramatically. 30 years ago most of our beaches would fail the Bathing Water Directive, now 98% of our beaches pass.

Protecting us from Conservative autonomy which would, without doubt lead to the, already started, complete dismantling of the NHS. The privatisation of schools & education. The eradication of unions & workers rights. The return to university places only for the privileged. Further badgering, bullying & intimidation of those claiming benefits. The protection of those avoiding paying their taxes whether through legal means or fraudulently.

Protecting us from Boris ****ing Johnson. There is a serious threat that the buffoon will become PM if we opt out. Think about it!


Unfortunately I also have a massive problem with how the EU is managed. It's not a democracy. The elected MEPs are not making the decisions, although they are claiming sufficient expenses & salaries to pay off the national debts of some countries. Important decisions are being made by bureaucrats, on inflated salaries, who are not elected & have secondary interests.

The EURO needs to be all or nothing. You cannot run a single currency through different treasuries. The value of the Euro needs to be consistent across all countries. A loaf of bread needs to be taxed similarly in Germany as it is in Greece as should a gallon of unleaded. A plumber should be paid & taxed similarly in France as he is in Italy. Inflation should be the same across all Euro member states as should interest rates. A single currency with different values is never going to work.

I liken the EU to FIFA. It's corrupt. It needs to be stripped to the core & rebuilt from the base. I doubt we can achieve this from the inside, being part of it. I think if we decide to leave the Dutch will follow suit & a cascade will follow. Hopefully that will lead to a rebuild.


I'm undecided, my head's telling me in, my other head's telling me out. I'll probably be swayed by a similar cockponce incident as the one displayed by that **** of a Councillor from Beverley today.

That's my ten cents worth, unless you're in Greece where it's 8 cents worth, Spain 7 cents, Germany 15 cents, Italy 11 cents, Netherlands, 13 cents or UK 2 pence.
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Most of the rights you want protecting pretty much existed in the UK pre EU.
 
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originallambrettaman said:
You're not seriously suggesting that the result of the referendum might be overruled?

The result is the result, they're obviously going to have to accept it.
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Gunpowder under Parliament. What referendum? You've had your say, now listen to what will happen. Just three comical outcomes.

More realistically it could take years to come to fruition and be totally enacted.
 
If the Brexit people are unhappy with the way we are just now they should go and live in bloody France
 
ellewoods said:
Then maybe I missed it, I saw him respond with a one liner. I made my point, you and him disagree, some people dont. As much as politics are being allowed right now going much further than that would probably not keep the thread on point.

Its about what you all are doing not really about what I think you should do. If you choose to leave then the relationship between your country and ours might change but I doubt it. The argument that you all will take a back seat to others simply because they would technically bigger when combined seems manipulative. You are an economic power and we arent going to ignore you just because you arent in the EU.
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Me and him (Castro) don't disagree; you're guessing wrong. It was never about the relationship between your country and ours. The conversation began on the back of you telling us what we should do, if Brexit is voted in; you told us about responsibilities to the Home countries, in regards to self-determination. You were told you don't understand then you went off on a tangent.
 
CITYfiley said:
I have had some fantastic treatment from staff from the EU and further afield

It was a polish consultant who spotted my lymphoma had come back about 5 months ago when two other specialists said the big lump on my back was a fatty lump.

Got sent for radiotherapy and was told i was back in remission again yesterday.

Me 3 - cancer 0

So i am sure glad the consultant / hemotolagist from poland is working over here.
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I'm glad that you're doing well Filey, but I must take task with your reasoning. Every year, multiple 'skilled' people are refused visa applications to work in this country who may be specialists in their field who could and likely would benefit the workforce in this country. We are told as part of the scare campaign that leaving the EU would have a detrimental effect on multiple services not least the NHS. What has been proposed is a point system which would allow nurses, doctors and multiple other skilled people from say, the Philippines, South America et al to come to this country and 'work' paying into society benefiting our economy and culture as has been the case with the amazing help you have had. What will not happen, if we leave the EU is that those EU migrants already here and working will be asked to leave. Those who in the future want to work here from the EU will have to prove like everyone else that they are a benefit and not a drain on society. In short, we could pick who we need and refuse who we don't. That covers farming migrants who would still have access to work here where our residents will not fill those rolls. What it will allow us to do is to stop pick pocket gangs, health migrants and those of low intellect who would have little or no hope of gaining employment in this country. For Cameron to say, 'if after 6 months they haven't got a job they will be asked to leave' is farcical, can you imagine someone walking up to some Greek or other and saying, 'will you go home please'!!!!... the Turkish issue is another and as I have already suggested is a total substantiated smokescreen. There are only so many pizza delivery jobs in this country!!!!!...
 
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Charlie1 said:
Woefully ill informed? Who me? I put an i instead of an e and now I'm ill informed! Stop being condescending as I am perfectly capable of forming my own opinon thanks all the same. I find Peter HitchEns perfectly odious.
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I wasn't referring to your spelling when I said misinformed.
 
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originallambrettaman said:
You're not seriously suggesting that the result of the referendum might be overruled?

The result is the result, they're obviously going to have to accept it.
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The Government might fall in the wake of BREXIT. Which could delay the passing of any bill to exit the EU.

If we do see a GE in the short term then the main parties may adopt a REMAIN stance and if voted into power on that mandate could
simply ignore the referendum vote saying the GE result over rides it.

It could get very messy.

All pure conjecture on my part of course.
 
Chilton's Hundreds said:
The Government might fall in the wake of BREXIT. Which could delay the passing of any bill to exit the EU.

If we do see a GE in the short term then the main parties may adopt a REMAIN stance and if voted into power on that mandate could
simply ignore the referendum vote saying the GE result over rides it.

It could get very messy.

All pure conjecture on my part of course.
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I see little prospect of any result forcing an election and even if it did, who ever was in power they'd have to honour the result of a referendum.
 
BLUE_MOUNTAINS_BEAR said:
Have asked 10 of my Hull relations which way they are are voting and its 50/50.

The odds of 4-1 on for remain with the polls so close is amazing. May have half-a-crown on leave!
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I saw an interview with a bloke from Ladbrokes yesterday, 90% of all bets in the previous 24 hours had been for remain. The average bet amount for leave was £90, the average bet for remain was £440 and the single biggest bet they'd taken (which was for remain) was £25k.
 
Castro's Coffin said:
So, if Alaska and Texas don't like something could they opt for self determination?
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Texas didn't like something, they tried self determination and was eventually forced back into the United States of America. I thought you'd have known that.
 
desfrog said:
If the Brexit people are unhappy with the way we are just now they should go and live in bloody France
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If the Bremain people are unhappy if we vote Brexit they should go and live in bloody France. Which is a more sensible suggestion than saying people who don't want to be part of the EU should go and live in the EU.
 
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