I was really only here for the Keegan joke. However it sounds like a fair compromise. If I was an MP I’d probably go for it.
You've spent the last two years telling anybody that will listen that the people who voted to leave didn't know what they were voting for. If that's the case, how would they know whether its a proper Brexit or not?
No, I haven't. I've said that those promoting Brexit were lying about what was on offer. There is no proper Brexit. It's entirely self-defined and the bullshitters pushing it, like Rees-Mogg and Farage love that. It allows them to claim betrayal and sabotage, no matter what happens.
That's the 64,000 dollar question. I'm not sure there is an alternative for the real hardliners on each side.
I think it's higher than that. Brexit voters didn't and don't agree on what they want it to mean. Remaining would piss off about 50%, but leaving with no deal would piss off far more than that. The seeds have already been sown for division in this country and they will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Brexit is a symptom and not the disease itself.
Sadly true. There really is no way of shutting those ****ers up, unfortunately. Not sure too many people will be listening anymore though.
Either way, a decision needs to be made one way or the other. The saying "More is lost through indecision, than wrong decision" is apt here. And the options we have on the table at this late stage is a) May's deal or b) No Deal That's about the short and long of it. I think this government are a shambles of **** and have grossly ****ed up this whole process. The cabinet and parliament should have been in total agreement on what kind of deal we wanted to pursue before Article 50 was even triggered.
c) No Brexit. Lock up the crooks behind it and expose their connections to a hostile foreign power. Stop protecting them in order to protect the Tory Party.
It has to reach a conclusion though, even if we had another vote and remain won, it’d not stop, there’d be a further lurch to the right, UKIP 2 under that weasely faced old ashtray Farage and years of bullshit about selective democracy. No deal is virtually universally seen as an absolute clusterfuck, barring those who’ll clean up fiscally from it, and bobble heads who don’t understand what the **** is going on, they just want OUT! So there has to be a solution, there has to be Brexit, so Mays withdrawal deal allows for a sensible exit imo, the extremists won’t have it, not arsed. The moderates should have it, but I’m not sure they will. What a complete **** up this entire thing is.
You've already had it at Stamford Bridge! I don't want to lock up 52% of the UK or even the 52% of the vote that went for Brexit. I want the likes of Farage and Banks to pay for their obvious crimes, though. It appears America does, too. Our own government seems to want to avoid even looking into it, for some reason.
^^ This I have always argued the biggest mistake the Govt made was triggering A50 , just to salve a internal party problem ,prior to making plans and deciding what the achievable aim was. An added bonus of that was the EU were bleating about us not triggering A50 immediately and we may have been able to pressure them to give some concessions prior to the full negotiations starting.
There's never going to be a conclusion. Brexit won't conclude anything, regardless of how it's actually implemented. Deal, no deal or no Brexit, the same ****ers will still keep spouting their divisive rhetoric and blaming someone for the mess. You could get Rees-Mogg to run the whole thing himself and he still wouldn't be satisfied.
Obviously there needs to be an end to this mess though, either way, one lot are going to have to suck it up and shut the **** up. You can only placate people to a point. I am not a big fan of May's deal, but bias aside, I hold out little hope of it making it through parliament. At least 50 Tories MP's are going to vote against it, along with at least a third of Labour and the DUP.
There will a conclusion though, and that’ll be either Mays deal, no deal or no Brexit. Which would you take now?
Nobody's going to shut up. It's not going to happen. There's no suitable deal and even May's is just a transitional one. This isn't going away, regardless of what happens. Everyone's sick of it and it's going nowhere.
