Brendan good enough
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Just reading the last few posts can't help but agree with almost all of it.
For me there is a lack of communication within their club and I think it is undermining a lot of hard effort to change things, and it is always at the time when large re-orgs are at foot that communication has to be good.
I also read that Brendan went home at 9 on transfer day thinking all was good but can't fully buy into that being of huge significance with what unfolded. He has a mobile phone, Ian Ayre has his number, and would guess those two talk a fair bit anyhow being in the same proximity day to day so I am convinced they were in contact but the deal could not be done for Dempsey. I am fairly sure that once BR had a call with IA that said it was a no go, and with AC already gone on loan, that BR will have called the states personally to urge some action, demand some support, which wasn't forthcoming hence the conversation he is having this week with them regarding "operational issues". Remember US are 5 hours behind on east coast so the transfer window closed at tea time over there.
The point about the chairman is a really valid one as well. The chairman in companies were I have worked have always been the glue that keeps it all together. Works with both sides of the organisation, both board members and senior management, and takes on the role of a powerful facilitator, understanding management requirements and getting resource released to help. TW should be based over here at this moment in time, working with the new manager and IA and a host of others to get under the skin of what we are trying to achieve and then using his influence to get the funds required. Him being in the states adds no value and just makes him one of the others we need to convince.
I think there is strong emphasis on financial management but they will have to be careful they don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes they want a sustainable club, BR has promised to help deliver that, BR is also putting his own stamp on things which seems to mean changing a lot of what KD did, not a great way to operate and a little immature, but I think BR thought if he showed enough dedication and bought into what FSG wanted they would reciprocate, I think we have a few signs that things can't be taken for granted on that front. Please no one mention that dossier again, I have seen so many consultants walk into businesses where I have worked with all the answers and seldom can you change the nature of human beings quickly.
I think yesterday we saw that in the players performance. Players trying to take on a new system, who have been working hard, and then seeing the man they are taking instruction from being undermined to the tune of £6m for a striker, and whether they were consciously thinking about it or not a little bit of zeal was missing and we looked all over the place.
For me there is a lack of communication within their club and I think it is undermining a lot of hard effort to change things, and it is always at the time when large re-orgs are at foot that communication has to be good.
I also read that Brendan went home at 9 on transfer day thinking all was good but can't fully buy into that being of huge significance with what unfolded. He has a mobile phone, Ian Ayre has his number, and would guess those two talk a fair bit anyhow being in the same proximity day to day so I am convinced they were in contact but the deal could not be done for Dempsey. I am fairly sure that once BR had a call with IA that said it was a no go, and with AC already gone on loan, that BR will have called the states personally to urge some action, demand some support, which wasn't forthcoming hence the conversation he is having this week with them regarding "operational issues". Remember US are 5 hours behind on east coast so the transfer window closed at tea time over there.
The point about the chairman is a really valid one as well. The chairman in companies were I have worked have always been the glue that keeps it all together. Works with both sides of the organisation, both board members and senior management, and takes on the role of a powerful facilitator, understanding management requirements and getting resource released to help. TW should be based over here at this moment in time, working with the new manager and IA and a host of others to get under the skin of what we are trying to achieve and then using his influence to get the funds required. Him being in the states adds no value and just makes him one of the others we need to convince.
I think there is strong emphasis on financial management but they will have to be careful they don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes they want a sustainable club, BR has promised to help deliver that, BR is also putting his own stamp on things which seems to mean changing a lot of what KD did, not a great way to operate and a little immature, but I think BR thought if he showed enough dedication and bought into what FSG wanted they would reciprocate, I think we have a few signs that things can't be taken for granted on that front. Please no one mention that dossier again, I have seen so many consultants walk into businesses where I have worked with all the answers and seldom can you change the nature of human beings quickly.
I think yesterday we saw that in the players performance. Players trying to take on a new system, who have been working hard, and then seeing the man they are taking instruction from being undermined to the tune of £6m for a striker, and whether they were consciously thinking about it or not a little bit of zeal was missing and we looked all over the place.
If your owners are true to their word then brendan is there for the long haul and that is the correct and proper way to improve liverpool. The mess that Kenny left and the massive amount of money he spent that achieved nothing needs to be sorted out and rodgers has been brought in to do that job. You have to be so naive if you think he can do that in an instant because it wont happen and your owners know and approved his time scale for changing things around. All the fans see is another game lost and they dont see the hard work brendan and his team are doing back stage.
Remember Arsenals disastrous start last season and they never had a new manager.......they came through ok.
Im not saying Liverpool will do as well as them this season but even looking at all the three games played you can see flashes of brilliance and should the goals had gone in against arsenal and the bad back pass that let man city in then it might have been a different story and you all would be praising Brendan and not finding fault with him.....Look at the big picture at what he has been brought in to do by your owners and you will see what a big job he has and the length of time he has to do it......KTF
Remember Arsenals disastrous start last season and they never had a new manager.......they came through ok.
Im not saying Liverpool will do as well as them this season but even looking at all the three games played you can see flashes of brilliance and should the goals had gone in against arsenal and the bad back pass that let man city in then it might have been a different story and you all would be praising Brendan and not finding fault with him.....Look at the big picture at what he has been brought in to do by your owners and you will see what a big job he has and the length of time he has to do it......KTF
If FSG have an overall strategy and plan, they must stick to it, they must not contradict themselves. One club in particular has contradicted themselves big time. This particular club claims that they don't sign established players, but they sign up and coming players and they develop them themselves. That same club paid £24 million for a 29 year old. Is he an up and coming player? No..therefore its a contradiction.
I do not want to see Liverpool or Brendan Rodgers contradict themselves.
I do not want to see Liverpool or Brendan Rodgers contradict themselves.
Yes fully agree good post.
My criticism is not of Brendan more of the lack of communication that has him sitting down before the Hearts game and saying "I would be mad to loan or sell AC without cover" and then just that happening. He should not be left exposed like that, we should have found out exactly what Fulham wanted for Dempsey, had it signed off (figure of speech, just telephone approval) by the guys up top and then immediately processed the AC deal and closed Dempsey (always a risk another club may have counter offered and Dempsey's price goes up but that too should of been touched on in conversations with a commitment to pay a little more if worse comes to the worse and AC is already signed and gone, its simply risk management). Just looked like we did the AC deal and then asked for a price for Dempsey which we then found was more than we would pay, worse still maybe we knew what they wanted for him and assumed that would be inline with what we would pay only to be told no.
Actually I didn't want to go down the road of specifics, BR needs time, we need to buy into the reasons we need to be financially viable, and adjust are transfer expectations inline with that, but there is no excuse for senior figures in the setup not knowing what is doable or not when they all speak the same language.
You cannot question the overall vision though with the results they have had although I hate to admit it. If a striker became available which would rectify all the problems we have at the front, but would cost a bit more, should we not buy him?
One thing lads i cant defend Brendan on is the Carrol business, Brendan made a huge mistake there letting him go to west ham without first making sure Dempsey was a Liverpool player. I'm sure he never meant for that to happen but it did and he must take the blame for that.....but apart from that i can see him doing a good job for Liverpool and their future....
If the owners tell you you've got to get X amount off the wage budget before they bring him in then what else could he do but trust the owners?
The reason why they said that Is that they did the opposite last season and brought in a lot of players last season for big money before getting rid of the deadwood/surprlus to requirements players and ended up having to give them big pay offs just to get them off the wage bill. That cost us a lot of money in the end.
Disagreed! We all need to keep our own opinions and follow our gut feelings, not conform to any positivist cliched agenda! Questioning and debating the direction of the club is fine, however as I have said on other threads, it's far too early to call for the managers head, please don't suggest I should follow any particular stance!
Think he could have done with keeping Steve Clarke. Best thing about us last year was our defence, this year its all over the place. If he can sort that out he should be ok. Think most people agree he didn't handle the striker situation well but impressed with signing of Allen and Sahin should be good. Good decisions to get rid of Adam and Spearing and put Downing and henderson on the bench in my opinion.
Good point.
Last season, we were relying on the likes Adam, Henderson and Shelvey in our midfield. Now we have Allen and Sahin who are (or have the potential at least) to be top class.
Downing, Henderson can now be put on the bench and gives us more depth.
Agreed
like mentioned way to early to start calling for Brendan's head. IMO the Carroll saga is getting used as a scapegoat.I agree that a signing should have been done before we let him go.But we can't change that now We all have to keep the faith and get behind our team,our management and support them
Shanks,
I don't believe that b4f is even trying to suggest that debate be curtailed. Why should I accept that because I have forwarded a generally positivist attitude towards FSC's philosophy for the running of the club itself my views should be described as "cliched".
However, there is a time when a re-statement of those things that unite us as fans has to be publicised.
So if you demand the right to make your points please do not insult others when they make theirs.
Fianally I do totally agree with you that it is far too soon to call for the managers head.
Not quite sure where the insult is, merely refuse to conform to a consenus opinion, pretty sure Bow4 was suggesting we sing from the same hymn sheet and I take dispute with it, especially has I haven't seen anyone actually calling for BR to be sacked, merely some are questioning some of his decisions. I don't think just because you are new you should be immune to criticism or challenged on certain decisions. Surely its for whoever takes dispute with a post to take that up within the debate? Perhaps rather than speaking in a global sense Bow4 could directly challenge those he takes issue with? Finally its FSG!
The insult is to call contrary views "positivist cliched agenda". As for b4f's post why did you not ask him to enlarge rather than try and rip him a new one? As for the error in our owners name - pedant!
Bows post was not a view it was at best a request and at worst a criticism. I replied to his post directly and by doing that gave HIM the opportunity to challenge me or disagree with it, I hardly ripped him a new one. The FSG thing was in jest but forgot to add a smiley so heres two!
Bows post was not a view it was at best a request and at worst a criticism. I replied to his post directly and by doing that gave HIM the opportunity to challenge me or disagree with it, I hardly ripped him a new one. The FSG thing was in jest but forgot to add a smiley so heres two!
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in the interest of unity of course 