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I saw something today that showed the Democrats have only lost the popular vote once in the last 8 elections....some kind of democracy they have there then.... I believe Biden will win and I think he will win comfortably at least I hope so. I also don't mind Kamala Harris, she is a smart cookie, a 4 year stretch as vice president will help round off some rough edges. The problem Republicans have going forward is all the Senators that have supported Trump even tho he has been blatantly telling lies not to mention playing down Covid that led to the States having the worst death record in the world...Lindsey Graham, Pompeo and McConell to name a few...The Senate IMO will go to the Democrats


Yes, they should win the popular vote these days, and they'll win it again.

But that what was the electoral college was founded for. To protect the new country, as it was then, from democracy, on which the constitution's founders were not at all keen, thinking it likely to be a tyranny of the majority, as they put it. They had something of a point.

Harris might be okay, although she appears to say what anyone wants to hear at any given time. But if it is to be her then she should be standing. She would be the best of the three, and the dishonesty inherent in allowing the current situation to obtain will come back to the Democrats. It is a certainty that Biden will not be able to serve four years.
 
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I disagree as the news that puts Biden ahead is biased, before covid the country was economically the best in the world, don't forget Biden's son got millions from Ukraine China and Russia despite having no qualifications and a dishonorable discharge from the Navy for being a crack head.his fathers favor pulling by what he could do for them got him those positions Biden has had 47 years in politics name me one good thing he has done in that time to help the nation.

I think reading your replies suggest that Trump may be a better option than Biden for this election. As such I don't really want to debate this a lot further for a number ofd reasons. Yes Biden has been a career politician, but as yet he hasn't been the man who calls the shots. Biden for all his failings, has empathy, Understanding of the common people, and is respected by members from both parties. Trump is a narcissistic, racist, self absorbed control freak. He is a pathological liar, misogynist, failed business man and totally unsuitable to run the largest economy in the world. If it wasn''t for the fact he has surrounded himself with pathetic sycophants then this moron would have been impeached and drummed out of public office months ago. But I do respect anyone's opinion of who they would like to run their country...you just read mine.
 
Well the point I was making that in 1992, while he won more than any other candidate, Bush and Perot, who appealed to the same voter base won more. I've had to look it up, and Clinton won 44% , the others more or less the rest.

But, them's the rules. Al Gore almost certainly lost a tight one because of a similar, if much smaller intervention by Ralph Nader.
There were three candidates and Clinton got the most comfortably. Very different to the fact that Hilary Clinton got over 3 million more votes than the winner..
 
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I think reading your replies suggest that Trump may be a better option than Biden for this election. As such I don't really want to debate this a lot further for a number ofd reasons. Yes Biden has been a career politician, but as yet he hasn't been the man who calls the shots. Biden for all his failings, has empathy, Understanding of the common people, and is respected by members from both parties. Trump is a narcissistic, racist, self absorbed control freak. He is a pathological liar, misogynist, failed business man and totally unsuitable to run the largest economy in the world. If it wasn''t for the fact he has surrounded himself with pathetic sycophants then this moron would have been impeached and drummed out of public office months ago. But I do respect anyone's opinion of who they would like to run their country...you just read mine.
ever since Trump was elected the democrats have tried to bring him down,Russian collusion total lie cost to taxpayers for 3 years 47 mil, then impeachment total lie it was Biden quid pro quo,Racist can only be proven against Biden as he has been caught using racist terms, i can show the proof but your mind is made up, i respect your views but your reasoning is distorted, you watch CNN lies but you don't catch their redactions,whilst Trump has a lot of faults he is the lesser of the two evils, my preference for Trump is because he has stated he will give the UK a great trade deal where Pelosi and Biden say they wont and i love my Country and want whats best for it.
 
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There were three candidates and Clinton got the most comfortably. Very different to the fact that Hilary Clinton got over 3 million more votes than the winner..

Yes. But the point is where did she get those votes?

Clearly not from where she needed them, in a few very traditional Democratic areas which she took entirely for granted, while busy gathering up more votes in Califonia when the state was an absolute guaranteed win. The college has always been there, and minority presidents are not a new thing, that's why Bill Clinton won in 1992, and Trump in 2016.
 
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There were three candidates and Clinton got the most comfortably. Very different to the fact that Hilary Clinton got over 3 million more votes than the winner..
New york and Frisco got more votes than they had people they sent ballots out to dead people ones that had moved ect they were on average 25 % more than the actual voters they have, already Ilhan Omar democrat has already been caught vote harvesting i can post the video with the evidence if you want to see it as you wont see it on main stream media because she is a democrat, they only try to show Trump in a bad light.
 
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Tulsi Gabbard democrat tried to stop ballot harvesting in California Newyork Michigan and Portland by putting a bill up in congress stopped by democrats

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Former US Army veteran and runner for the 2020 Democrat election for president Tulsi Gabbard tells the word what Kamala Harris was up to

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Proof by CNN of all people proving that Biden gave out a racist interview

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The best I can say is that your sources are not exactly reliable and independent.
what Tulsi Gabbard ran for the democrats for president and was beaten by sleepy Joe. this article came from CNN the biggest democrat supporting news caster and if and you don't believe it ..<doh>.. check it out or would you prefer Fox news mate
 
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WHAT HAPPENED TO ME?

I used to think I was just a normal person, but I was born white, which now, whether I like it or not, makes me a racist.

I am a fiscal and moral conservative, which by today's standards, makes me a fascist.

I am heterosexual, which now makes me a homophobe.

I am mostly non-union, which makes me a traitor to the working class and an ally of big business.

I was christened by my parents (who were married, in a church and remained married until they died), which now labels me as an infidel.

I am older than 65 and retired, which makes me useless.

I think and I reason, therefore I doubt much that the main -stream media tells me, which must make me a reactionary.

I am proud of my heritage which makes me a xenophobe
I value my safety and that of my family and I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.

I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individual's merits, which today makes me an anti-socialist.

I believe in the defence and protection of the Country for and by all citizens, and I honour those who served in the Armed Forces, which now makes me a right wing-militant.

Funny but it's all just taken place over the last 7 or 8 years!

Finally, as if all this nonsense wasn't enough to deal with, now I'm not even sure which toilet to go into.

brilliant mate sums up how mad the world has got in such a very short time
 
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God preserve us from any of those candidates on offer.

But it is worth remembering that Biden was forced to withdraw from his bid to become president around 1988. I'm old enough to remember this, if only for it's comical aspect .

He was caught out openly plagiarising, of all people Neill Kinnock! Others too actually, but really, Kinnock!

When presented with the evidence he lied about it. Then lied again. Then he threatened a newspaper with legal action. Then he withdrew.

What an absolutely shocking pair.

A hustling business man who basically knew how not be the odious Hilary Clinton, and a time serving party man, so far past his modest best, and with blindingly clear signs of diminished mental acuity, that he is kept from open pressers , mistakes his wife for his sister, says yesterday that he is running for The Senate, couldn't remember Ruth Ginsburg's name in the week she died, and has referred to Covid as " the thing " .

The very dog days of American politics. A vile pox on all their houses.
 
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Brilliant photo Mate, all heroes. what year was that
I'm not sure what "laws" have to be changed, but the whole feel about America is so divisive and ultra confrontational now. Trump has really founded a cult-like movement that mainly consists of uneducated white males (huge generalisation I know) but it is not going to go away anytime soon. Trump will cling onto power as long as he can and I can for-see major trouble shortly after this election...I used to live in America and its sad to see this happening. Getting back to Laws tho', with this new Supreme Judge about to be confirmed, the states have now gone from centre right to far right...so regardless if the Democrats win ( I think they will ) then the Law in America will...for now have a far right Republican feel to it

Whilst the Democrats bless their cotton socks, only have Antifa and BLM who are mainly peaceful demonstrators, who have only killed 43 up to date injured 123 with a 109 days of riots 50 billion worth of fire damage to business and looting mainly peaceful though.

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