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this is pub talk...no one cares about who’s won what when discussing the SL

Youre that man I was talking about earlier or was it yesterday when I said for people who are not bothered you all seem very bothered by the structure and criteria of this league.

I am bothered, never said I wasn't. I don't want the top six to be booted out of the Premier League. I don't want any English club kicked out of the football league for off-the-pitch reasons, be it Bury or Spurs or Man City.

But if they are determined to go ahead with the ESL, the governing bodies shouldn't pussy-foot around them and pander to their demands. Expulsions and sanctions are the last resort but they should be used if the top six think they're better than slumming it with us mere mortals in the existing domestic and European competitions.
 
EUFA all time European Cup club rankings;

Top 30 clubs (1955-2020)

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{thead}
{tr}
{th}Club{/th}
{th}Part{/th}
{th}Titles{/th}
{th}Pld{/th}
{th}W{/th}
{th}D{/th}
{th}L{/th}
{th}F{/th}
{th}A{/th}
{th}Pts{/th}
{/tr}
{/thead}
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}1. Real Madrid (ESP){/td}
{td}51{/td}
{td}13{/td}
{td}445{/td}
{td}265{/td}
{td}77{/td}
{td}103{/td}
{td}984{/td}
{td}489{/td}
{td}607{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}2. Bayern (GER){/td}
{td}37{/td}
{td}6{/td}
{td}358{/td}
{td}211{/td}
{td}73{/td}
{td}74{/td}
{td}742{/td}
{td}355{/td}
{td}495{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}3. Barcelona (ESP){/td}
{td}31{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{td}325{/td}
{td}193{/td}
{td}73{/td}
{td}59{/td}
{td}651{/td}
{td}317{/td}
{td}459{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}4. Manchester United (ENG){/td}
{td}29{/td}
{td}3{/td}
{td}285{/td}
{td}157{/td}
{td}66{/td}
{td}62{/td}
{td}521{/td}
{td}274{/td}
{td}380{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}5. Juventus (ITA){/td}
{td}35{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{td}285{/td}
{td}146{/td}
{td}69{/td}
{td}70{/td}
{td}455{/td}
{td}274{/td}
{td}361{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}6. AC Milan (ITA){/td}
{td}28{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{td}249{/td}
{td}125{/td}
{td}64{/td}
{td}60{/td}
{td}416{/td}
{td}231{/td}
{td}314{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
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I eventually found Spurs...

66 Tottenham Hotspur ENG 6 0 55 25 10 20 108 83 60 25

That's not a typo, it is 66th not 6th <laugh>
 
Spurs have pulled out of the proposed ESL and have instead decided to start up the SSL, a league with only them in it.
Bookies have them as second favourites to win it.
 
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Man City and Chelsea bottling the ESL at the last minute to vote with the other 14 Prem clubs to kick out Utd, Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal.
 
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Posting this as it appeared on a feed of mine. Seems quite poignant.

The pics of United supporters are mainly at the ECWC Final, a tournament we got to enter because we qualified by winning another tournament. The ECWC no longer exists of course....................

I was amongst all that lot somewhere!

I am now known as a heritage fan.



https://britishculturearchive.co.uk...intU4CX-gTLktq8Mes8bDj0cbueM9WOvrSBEKkTYqoBO4
 
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The ESL will just become to football what Marvel films are to cinema. Just the popcorn equivalent of entertainment. No flavour, no soul, no emotion; just a highly-sanitised, polished turd.


It'll be ****e, but a billion Chinese and Japanese 'fans' will lap it all up so it's still going to be pushed on.

The actual idea to all us heritage supporters is ****ing horrific.
 
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It'll be ****e, but a billion Chinese and Japanese 'fans' will lap it all up so it's still going to be pushed on.

The actual idea to all us heritage supporters is ****ing horrific.

I love the new buzzwords owners and chairmen are coming out with. 'Heritage supporters' and 'legacy fans'. What, people who've bought tickets and cheered their club on in their home ground week-in week-out? Years ago we just called them 'supporters' and 'fans'.
 
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I really hope this collapses.

I wonder if any of those clubs are having second thoughts.
 
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Looks like some of the other clubs are having a bit of fun with this. <laugh>
 
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EUFA all time European Cup club rankings;

Top 30 clubs (1955-2020)

[xtable=skin1|454x@]
{thead}
{tr}
{th}Club{/th}
{th}Part{/th}
{th}Titles{/th}
{th}Pld{/th}
{th}W{/th}
{th}D{/th}
{th}L{/th}
{th}F{/th}
{th}A{/th}
{th}Pts{/th}
{/tr}
{/thead}
{tbody}
{tr}
{td}1. Real Madrid (ESP){/td}
{td}51{/td}
{td}13{/td}
{td}445{/td}
{td}265{/td}
{td}77{/td}
{td}103{/td}
{td}984{/td}
{td}489{/td}
{td}607{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}2. Bayern (GER){/td}
{td}37{/td}
{td}6{/td}
{td}358{/td}
{td}211{/td}
{td}73{/td}
{td}74{/td}
{td}742{/td}
{td}355{/td}
{td}495{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}3. Barcelona (ESP){/td}
{td}31{/td}
{td}5{/td}
{td}325{/td}
{td}193{/td}
{td}73{/td}
{td}59{/td}
{td}651{/td}
{td}317{/td}
{td}459{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}4. Manchester United (ENG){/td}
{td}29{/td}
{td}3{/td}
{td}285{/td}
{td}157{/td}
{td}66{/td}
{td}62{/td}
{td}521{/td}
{td}274{/td}
{td}380{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}5. Juventus (ITA){/td}
{td}35{/td}
{td}2{/td}
{td}285{/td}
{td}146{/td}
{td}69{/td}
{td}70{/td}
{td}455{/td}
{td}274{/td}
{td}361{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td}6. AC Milan (ITA){/td}
{td}28{/td}
{td}7{/td}
{td}249{/td}
{td}125{/td}
{td}64{/td}
{td}60{/td}
{td}416{/td}
{td}231{/td}
{td}314{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
I eventually found Spurs...

66 Tottenham Hotspur ENG 6 0 55 25 10 20 108 83 60 25

That's not a typo, it is 66th not 6th <laugh>
You can't even spell UEFA. Not much use for it as a Gillingham fan, I guess.
It's based purely on games in the Champions League/European Cup, so Kiev rank above Celtic and Chelsea are ahead of Inter.
Juventus have "only" won it twice, yet they're placed 5 spots above 4 time champions Ajax. Silly ****s.
 
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nope...not at all...I’m not interested in it.

It’s the truth...we couldn’t challenge on our finances and you all loved it...now you hating because we ****ing off

you all want it both ways.

you don’t see the car crash of oligarchs and sheiks because your club were never in the mix. My club were, I see what these owners did to our chances. You all lapped it up.

You don’t seem to be able to grasp the emotional aspect of this from the fans of those clubs who are joining...you never will...you have no interest in that.
You shouldn't have mentioned oligarchs. They're owned by Russian money.
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You can't even spell UEFA. Not much use for it as a Gillingham fan, I guess.
It's based purely on games in the Champions League/European Cup, so Kiev rank above Celtic and Chelsea are ahead of Inter.
Juventus have "only" won it twice, yet they're placed 5 spots above 4 time champions Ajax. Silly ****s.

True, but when you have my spelling as your opening sentence, it demonstrates the serious failings of Spurs <laugh>
 
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Right! Try again by posting this on the CORRECT thread <grr>

I can only give my personal opinion. To me football was lost in 1992 to what I saw as the lower classes to the game, from my own political point of view, this all started with Maggie Thatchers (social cleansing) war on football supporters. Also a continuous onslaught by many media outlets, who only ever wanted to publicise the ugly side of the game, and not the good it brought.

So it left a sour taste with me, when Murdoch came along with his SKY and bought the game lock, stock and smoking barrel - which was a bit rich considering his newspapers use to shhite on us every single week..

However, as I explained yesterday, I accepted it, the game now belonged to a new generation and the trappings that brings with it - New stadiums, decent football on TV, less violence, and although the lower leagues never really embraced it, we accepted it because we could see some of the benefits it was bringing and it wasn't a bad product.

Then Spurs like others before them, built their new (billion pound) stadium, and I thought time had come to say fook off to your own league, a European one, something I'd always been against, but these thoughts were due to the money only benefiting some, while pricing others out of the game, and by that I mean at the gate as well has teams going under.

They should have inititially allowed four, based on the four top placings of this years Premier League. To maintain your place in the league, you would have to either finish in the top four of your country league again OR win the Super League or any rules that created FAIR competition.

OH STOP! I just realised, we already have the above, it's called the Champions League.