Off Topic Bradley Wiggins in trouble again

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Chazz Rheinhold said:
I just read an interview by David Walsh about Armstrong, and this was said.

"Because we have to know if the guy who won the Tour de France seven times is a genuine champion or not. Because in my view, if he doped to win the Tour de France, which I believe he did, he’s not a genuine champion. And other people will say, "Oh well, most of the other guys who rode those Tours were doping, so therefore he was the best." Well, I don’t subscribe to that view. My view is that there were plenty of people who rode those Tours clean who were absolutely screwed by the system, and if we don’t stand up for those people we shouldn’t be in the jobs we’re in."
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I completely and utterly agree with that quote in the sense no matter how many people where cheating it doesn't make it right.

That whole interview he does is brilliant, admittedly it was before he was proven to be guilty (we should agree to disagree on that one).
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
I just read an interview by David Walsh about Armstrong, and this was said.

"Because we have to know if the guy who won the Tour de France seven times is a genuine champion or not. Because in my view, if he doped to win the Tour de France, which I believe he did, he’s not a genuine champion. And other people will say, "Oh well, most of the other guys who rode those Tours were doping, so therefore he was the best." Well, I don’t subscribe to that view. My view is that there were plenty of people who rode those Tours clean who were absolutely screwed by the system, and if we don’t stand up for those people we shouldn’t be in the jobs we’re in."
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I agree with that, but it wasn’t really my point
It depends on your definition of ‘clean’ but I was talking about legal, within the rules, supplements, not the talking of banned drugs
 
dennisboothstash said:
I agree with that, but it wasn’t really my point
It depends on your definition of ‘clean’ but I was talking about legal, within the rules, supplements, not the talking of banned drugs
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Claiming to have a condition so you can then take drugs which can give a performance boost is reprehensible. The fact so many of these asthma attacks coincide with a big race and enable the granting of a TUE stretches the bounds of credibility.
 
I've found the articles fascinating by kimmage, Samuel, Matt Lawton , Walsh and the guardian. Really well written stuff.
Just been reading about dodgy Dave brailsford. How big this could be with him been in charge of the Olympic team. From two gold medals in 2004 to the most successful medal winners at 2008 and 2012. Hmm.

When Walsh wrote a book about Armstrong it didn't sell in the USA as they just didn't want to know.
Wonder if the British public are the same.
 
Barchullona said:
Claiming to have a condition so you can then take drugs which can give a performance boost is reprehensible. The fact so many of these asthma attacks coincide with a big race and enable the granting of a TUE stretches the bounds of credibility.
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Agreed,
And if that was proven then he would have broken the rules and stripped of the title
...but it wasn’t and he hasn’t been
 
dennisboothstash said:
Agreed,
And if that was proven then he would have broken the rules and stripped of the title
...but it wasn’t and he hasn’t been
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This is the start.
Surely with the tours history you must be a little sceptical?
The Jiffy bag, the missing lap top. The most on the ball, marginal gains, takes the same mattress around with them to ensure a proper nights sleep, operation yet they're so slapdash and didn't keep records!! Gtf
 
dennisboothstash said:
Agreed,
And if that was proven then he would have broken the rules and stripped of the title
...but it wasn’t and he hasn’t been
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Strange how records of drugs taken in such a monitored sport go missing. As did details of Mo Farah's injection before his London half marathon win.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
This is the start.
Surely with the tours history you must be a little sceptical?
The Jiffy bag, the missing lap top. The most on the ball, marginal gains, takes the same mattress around with them to ensure a proper nights sleep, operation yet they're so slapdash and didn't keep records!! Gtf
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Nail on head, Chazz.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
This is the start.
Surely with the tours history you must be a little sceptical?
The Jiffy bag, the missing lap top. The most on the ball, marginal gains, takes the same mattress around with them to ensure a proper nights sleep, operation yet they're so slapdash and didn't keep records!! Gtf
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Of course I’m sceptical
But, without drifting into politics, I’m not going to get excited about an opinion expressed by a group of politicians
The sports ruling body seem to be saying no rules have been broken. That might change, but as it stands then my view is the rules are where the focus should if things need to be changed
 
dennisboothstash said:
Of course I’m sceptical
But, without drifting into politics, I’m not going to get excited about an opinion expressed by a group of politicians
The sports ruling body seem to be saying no rules have been broken. That might change, but as it stands then my view is the rules are where the focus should if things need to be changed
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And David millars opinion? Or kimmage or Walshs? The two who took years of abuse when they went after Armstrong? Before been vindicated.
 
dennisboothstash said:
Anyway
Regardless of where you stand on the ‘it is/isn’t cheating if you push the drug usage right to the limit’ debate

Does anyone seriously think that any of the riders in the TDF won’t be taking some time of supplements, within the rules, to help them do as well as they can? Because I don’t
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Why wouldn't they, if they are perfectly legal and not covered by TUE (So use is recorded in medical and other management records). It's not often you see Lucozade in a jiffy bag...
 
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