Off Topic Bradley Wiggins in trouble again

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Fez said:
Why wouldn't they, if they are perfectly legal and not covered by TUE (So use is recorded in medical and other management records). It's not often you see Lucozade in a jiffy bag...
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No reason why they wouldn’t
I expect them to use whatever the rules allow
 
Fez said:
And that's the problem with Team Sky, they wanted to blur when it was allowed, they did it, they hid it incredibly ineptly and they can lie as long as they wish, but if it smells like ****...
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if that is true and can be proven then the ruling body should deal with it
 
dennisboothstash said:
if that is true and can be proven then the ruling body should deal with it
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We agree on something then. In the meantime having an opinion that it is true, even though it can't be proven, because the necessary evidence has disappeared, wil exist beyond the black and white of of an anonymous forum.
 
Ron Burguvdy said:
MPs wrong to 'pinpoint' Bradley Wiggins, says Sir Steve Redgrave

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/43362324
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dennisboothstash said:
Ruining my anonymity on here ya bugger

Now everyone will know that I’m Steve Redgrave

I’m right...I mean he’s right...by the way
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Personally I agree with what Ron or is it Steve is saying, it is either within the rules or not, if it is within the rules then as mentioned and there is a feeling it is too close to the line change the rules.

I've followed F1 Motor racing for years, and they have been flouting loop holes in the rules to gain an advantage over their rivals ever since the sport began. Is it any different that it is a piece of machinery or a human body?

Finally, I do find it amazing the a government body comes out with something like this about one of their own. Would other countries do it? I somehow doubt.
 
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John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. said:
Personally I agree with what Ron or is it Steve is saying, it is either within the rules or not, if it is within the rules then as mentioned and there is a feeling it is too close to the line change the rules.

I've followed F1 Motor racing for years, and they have been flouting loop holes in the rules to gain an advantage over their rivals ever since the sport began. Is it any different that it is a piece of machinery or a human body?

Finally, I do find it amazing the a government body comes out with something like this about one of their own. Would other countries do it? I somehow doubt.
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That's because we're English john.
Let the chips fall where they may.
 
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dennisboothstash said:
Ruining my anonymity on here ya bugger

Now everyone will know that I’m Steve Redgrave

I’m right...I mean he’s right...by the way
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John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. said:
Personally I agree with what Ron or is it Steve is saying, it is either within the rules or not, if it is within the rules then as mentioned and there is a feeling it is too close to the line change the rules.

I've followed F1 Motor racing for years, and they have been flouting loop holes in the rules to gain an advantage over their rivals ever since the sport began. Is it any different that it is a piece of machinery or a human body?

Finally, I do find it amazing the a government body comes out with something like this about one of their own. Would other countries do it? I somehow doubt.
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I don't think anyone is ignoring the need for the system to be scrutinised and the whole process to be transparent and easy to apply; but the process is workable it is being used daily.

There is a telling phrase in that interview where Redgrave says:

"People keep saying Team Sky haven't done anything wrong but have stepped over the ethical line but if they've got all the right paper to prove they haven't done anything wrong then the system's wrong."

(folk should read the full interview - from the link - if they need full context)

Isn't it the fact that the authorities have, despite numerous requests and very reasonable expectation, been unable to get all of the correct paperwork from Team Sky and it is that which has caused this furore? Provide the accepted paperwork for TUE use and there is no problem, that is, of course, unless a drug allowed for out-of-competition use is being used within competition - this when the team concerned fully understand the TUE use and recording requirements of that particular drug? I'm a little surprised this very simple part of the process is ignored, as it seems to work for others on a daily basis.

John, you said this:

"Finally, I do find it amazing the a government body comes out with something like this about one of their own. Would other countries do it? I somehow doubt."

Are you advocating that we should not police and shame our own cheats and just leave it to Johnny Foreigner to to be our moral compass?
 
Fez said:
I don't think anyone is ignoring the need for the system to be scrutinised and the whole process to be transparent and easy to apply; but the process is workable it is being used daily.

There is a telling phrase in that interview where Redgrave says:

"People keep saying Team Sky haven't done anything wrong but have stepped over the ethical line but if they've got all the right paper to prove they haven't done anything wrong then the system's wrong."

(folk should read the full interview - from the link - if they need full context)

Isn't it the fact that the authorities have, despite numerous requests and very reasonable expectation, been unable to get all of the correct paperwork from Team Sky and it is that which has caused this furore? Provide the accepted paperwork for TUE use and there is no problem, that is, of course, unless a drug allowed for out-of-competition use is being used within competition - this when the team concerned fully understand the TUE use and recording requirements of that particular drug? I'm a little surprised this very simple part of the process is ignored, as it seems to work for others on a daily basis.

John, you said this:

"Finally, I do find it amazing the a government body comes out with something like this about one of their own. Would other countries do it? I somehow doubt."

Are you advocating that we should not police and shame our own cheats and just leave it to Johnny Foreigner to to be our moral compass?
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I’m one the folk that did read the full interview before I commented on it
If the ruling body found that rules had been broken regarding incorrect paperwork they would have acted on that
They didn’t
Paperwork is one the many things that needs reviewing if they review the rules
If they don’t review the rules I’ll assume they are happy for exactly the same situation to happen again
If they do review the rules then I’m still happy that no rules were broken this time and playing within the rules is ok
 
Fez said:
I don't think anyone is ignoring the need for the system to be scrutinised and the whole process to be transparent and easy to apply; but the process is workable it is being used daily.

There is a telling phrase in that interview where Redgrave says:

"People keep saying Team Sky haven't done anything wrong but have stepped over the ethical line but if they've got all the right paper to prove they haven't done anything wrong then the system's wrong."

(folk should read the full interview - from the link - if they need full context)

Isn't it the fact that the authorities have, despite numerous requests and very reasonable expectation, been unable to get all of the correct paperwork from Team Sky and it is that which has caused this furore? Provide the accepted paperwork for TUE use and there is no problem, that is, of course, unless a drug allowed for out-of-competition use is being used within competition - this when the team concerned fully understand the TUE use and recording requirements of that particular drug? I'm a little surprised this very simple part of the process is ignored, as it seems to work for others on a daily basis.

John, you said this:

"Finally, I do find it amazing the a government body comes out with something like this about one of their own. Would other countries do it? I somehow doubt."

Are you advocating that we should not police and shame our own cheats and just leave it to Johnny Foreigner to to be our moral compass?
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What I am saying that all countries should do what the UK have done, but I suspect very few ever do. Therefore why wash your dirty washing in public when no one else does.
 
But Le Monde reported that the UCI has taken a step towards disciplinary proceedings by dismissing the Team Sky rider’s evidence and referring the case to an anti-doping tribunal.

When Diego Ulissi failed a drugs test for the same drug in 2014, he was banned for nine months. In 2007, Alessandro Petacchi failed a drugs test for the same substance and was banned for a year.

Both riders were found to have lower levels than Froome. The 32-year-old British rider had twice the permitted limit in his urine on September 7 last year despite claiming not to have exceeded the maximum number of puffs from his asthma inhaler.
 
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