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Ron said:
Which one of the Klitschko brothers is thought to be the better?
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Vitali historically Ron. When they were both active he was seen has the better of the two. Towards the end of Vitali's career his ability dipped a bit and Wladmir became the 'efficient' for lack of a better word fighter he is known has now and by the time Vitali retired, his little brother had overtaken him
 
It's a shame we didn't get to see Lewis-Vitali rematch.

Lennox had trained for someone else but due to injury Vitali was drafted in at 2 weeks notice. Lewis was very heavy and it became a slog for 6 rounds before The Docor retired Vitali on medical ground either his eye sporting a horrific cut.

A fitter, leaner Lewis would have handled him I think but Vitali deserved a rematch.
 
It will be an interesting fight as Klit needs afford him more respect than he usually does due to his size and power, but if Fury does not land a big one he has no chance of winning on points by out boxing him. I am also unsure of Fury's mental make up and when you get to this level your mentality is so important, ( see Chris Eubank) and it is one of Klit's strong points.

Mike Tyson was never the same once he suffered the first loss as part of his mental make up was his own belief that he was invincible and when that was taken away he became vulnerable. He mental make up also came into question when he started to lose fights as well such as Holyfield and Lewis. As Fury clearly suffers from some kind of mental illness, I believe the press report he is Bi-polar then he could crack up in the ring. He is in the same position as Mike Tyson in that he is unbeaten and imagines himself invincible, in my experience should Klit start putting the jab in his face for 5 rounds and then start opening up on him Fury could become so frustrated he could have some kind of re-action.

My prediction is a Klit win on points, I believe he will start cautiously and then take command and establish a points lead and then play safe rather than open up leading to a dull second half.

I think David Haye could have won against Klit but was too cautious. I think David Haye was incredibly talented and if you could have given him a bit of Nigel Benn's bravery he could have swept all before him.
 
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I've watched the Fury Chisora fights. The first one is a concern for Fury. Although Fury was much bigger with a massive reach advantage, Chisora was able to get to him and had him backing off. Also Fury hit him so often but didn't put him down. I can envisage several scenarios; but the one that sticks most (after viewing those videos) is that Fury won't be able to shake up Klits with a single punch. and that will leave open the liklihood of Klits catching him with a solid right. Then I can see Fury backing off. Whether Klits will go after him to finish it off will determine how long it will last. I think that once Klits hurts Fury he will need to go in for the kill.
 
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I don't believe it's in Fury's best interests to try and trade blows with Klitschko. He will spend the night on the move, using his fast hands. To win the belt he'll need to take out the champ, but I don't think he'll get a decision in Germany if it goes to points. Klitschko I believe will be the stalker, Fury the dancer. Klitschko's last fight against was a shocker, all he did for most of the night was throw out straight lefts. According to Compubox, the champ landed only 144 punches for the entire 12 rounds and without knowing the numbers, it looked as though the vast majority of those were jabs. I still think Klitschko will win, but I believe that Fury will surprise a lot of people with the pace he'll inject into the fight. This is going to sound silly, but Fury on the vids I've seen, is easily the lightest and fastest on his feet of all the other top flight heavyweights. (except Haye) And this comes from an 18 stone man. Go to YouTube and check any of his last 3 or 4 fights and take a peek. Most men of that size are plodders.He's on his toes. Again, his problem is that he doesn't have the explosive power to get Klitschko out of there. The champion is super efficient. As yet, he hasn't needed shonky decisions to keep him afloat, and he probably wont on Saturday. But if it does go to points and Klitschko wins, there is a real chance that the cards will look worse that they should. With the 5 fight deal in place, and fighting in his own back yard, Klitschko will in all likelihood be awarded the very close rounds. If the fight was in Manchester, the shoe might well have been on the other foot, but that's not the way the real world works.
 
The Fury clan certainly have a plan. Today at the weigh in, Tyson topped the scales at an amazing 247 pounds, nearly a stone less than against hammer, and a massive two and a half stone lighter than when he fought Joey Abell three fights back. A fantastic effort. Vlad is trimmed to perfection as usual, weighing in at 246. So it's going to be a stalking, jab throwing, heavy handed Klitschko v a fast moving Fury with a reach advantage, who will be letting his lighter fists fly from all angles. This is easily the most exciting heavyweight title bout since the two dreadnoughts Vitali Klitchko and Lennox Lewis clashed.
 
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Clearly, losing so much weight, Fury will not be able to knock him out now. So the only way he can win is to cut him up. Has been done before, but it does mean that Klits won't be afraid to risk throwing a few himself and, if one of those connects, he will need to close in and try to finish it. It's beginning to look like a ko for Klits. Unfortunately.
 
Who measured Fury as 6ft 9, if Wlad's 6ft 6?! Look at the face off, there's no 3 inches difference there. Fury has no height advantage and looking at that, I wouldn't be too surprised should he not have this huge reach advantage they make out either.

Fury never looks ripped does he <laugh>
 
I reckon Fury will come out swinging and fight like he's nothing to lose, i think he'll struggle to land cleanly and Wlad will pick him apart and be is usual efficient self before stopping Fury around the 7th or 8th.

But just in case the unimaginable happens i've had a little dabble on Fury to win in round 1 at 80/1! It has no chance but it falls into the 'i bet know one had that on' if the shock were to happen!
 
Fury has got dangerous hands and he should know !

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It's gonna be some fight..... who will knock themselves out first?

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smokethedeadbadger said:
I reckon Fury will come out swinging and fight like he's nothing to lose, i think he'll struggle to land cleanly and Wlad will pick him apart and be is usual efficient self before stopping Fury around the 7th or 8th.

But just in case the unimaginable happens i've had a little dabble on Fury to win in round 1 at 80/1! It has no chance but it falls into the 'i bet know one had that on' if the shock were to happen!
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Geez, that looks like a reasonable bet Smoke. Hope he does it for you.
 
beeforsalmon said:
Who measured Fury as 6ft 9, if Wlad's 6ft 6?! Look at the face off, there's no 3 inches difference there. Fury has no height advantage and looking at that, I wouldn't be too surprised should he not have this huge reach advantage they make out either.

Fury never looks ripped does he <laugh>
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I read that Klitschko's official height is six-six and a half, Fury six-eight and a half. I suppose they would have measured them for the fight. Some of the pics show Fury as being a bit taller, others show them to be about the same height. Maybe posture played a part in the different pics. Then again, there have been rumours of Fury not being anywhere near 6.9, floating about for ages. Maybe the 6.9 is "bs." I did notice though that Fury does really seem to have a reach advantage. The pics seem to indicate that he's longer from shoulder to elbow, so he probably the same in the lower arm.
 
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cyclonic111 said:
Geez, that looks like a reasonable bet Smoke. Hope he does it for you.
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I hope it doesn't come in for me, i'll be gutted if Fury wins, he would possibly be the worst heavy weight champion in the history of the sport. But i honestly believe he has no chance of winning and he's managed to sell the fight with his gift of the gab. Before everyone of his fights Audley Harrison had me believing he was going to win he was that good of talking himself up!
 
cyclonic111 said:
Yeah he has an up hill fight on his hands. But all credit to the man if he gets the job done, a lot have tried.
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I will give him every credit if he dethrones the Champ, i won't be happy about it but no excuses to be had, he's fighting a top top champion in his own backyard and one who's still very much at the top of his game
 
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I an all the excitement of the heavyweight fight a much better fight is taking place over in Canada which sees Britains first ever Olympic Gold and professional world champion, James DeGale make the first defence of his IBF super middleweight title against the very dangerous Lucian Bute. Credit has to be given to DeGale for taking this fight, Bute is unbeaten when fighting at home at super middle and it is a very risky fight for DeGale to have. He could have had a nice easy defence at home but like a true champion he's taking risks and fighting the best available to him. Bute is and maybe always will be remembered this side of the Atlantic for the one sided mauling he received against Carl Froch in Nottingham a couple of years ago. Let's not forget before that fight Bute was the champion, unbeaten and a heavy favourite. The defeat set him back a bit, he moved up to light heavy but had little success but since moving back down to super middle he's looking back somewhere near his best. DeGale should be too good and should be able to outbox Bute but if he's going to go over there and get the decision he'll need make sure he's convincing, anything close and the home fighter will likely get the nod. If DeGale can keep his concentration for the whole time he should get the unanimous decision or even the late stoppage. Bute however is a good boxer with plenty of power so DeGale will need to be at the top of his game. Makes for an interesting fight.

Carl Froch has recently been mouthing off saying if DeGale wins well he might be tempted out of retirement to take DeGales belt off him. As much as i was a fan of Froch I hope he wasn't serious, I'd like to see him stay retired. He went out on top and has nothing to prove, he avenged one of his two career defeats which was against Mikael Kessler and the other one was against possibly the best fighter on the planet, Andre Ward. He could have fought him another 100 times and still wouldn't have come close to a win. Froch is a wealthy man with other businesses and a young family. I understand it must be hard to stay out of the limelight but DeGale would be a very risky fight to come out of retirement for especially after so much inactivity. Let's hope he stays retired and lets DeGale have his time at the top.
 
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Couldn't agree more smoke, I'm much more interested in the DeGale fight. Glad sky have not included the fight in the PPV package. My prediction - 2 points wins for the champs.
 
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