Odds look about right . Whyte has zero chance against this beast . And would seriously fancy AJ to decimate Fury within 3 rounds a fight or 2 later.
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DB, don't be surprised if Whyte makes this a real fight. He's super hungry and feels that Joshua won't be able to get the memory of being dropped in that past fight out of his head. Dillian Whyte is a serious puncher. Of course so too is Joshua. 
Would like to see this AJ go through a few rounds in a fight. Huge, muscular man mightn't be able to last the championship rounds. It's a possibility.
No doubt, he's such a beast I'll be told no one can last more than 3 rounds....
No doubt, he's such a beast I'll be told no one can last more than 3 rounds....
DB, don't be surprised if Whyte makes this a real fight. He's super hungry and feels that Joshua won't be able to get the memory of being dropped in that past fight out of his head. Dillian Whyte is a serious puncher. Of course so too is Joshua.
Cyc. AJ is the real deal and will knock holes through Whyte. He is a completely different animal from the amateurs. AJ didn't begin boxing until he was 17. He is the best athlete out there and he is very, very grounded. Had the pleasure of meeting him 3 weeks ago and this kid has the desire and the talent to go with it.
AJ is too big, too quick and is brutally heavy handed . He will walk through Whyte like he doesn't exist .DB, don't be surprised if Whyte makes this a real fight. He's super hungry and feels that Joshua won't be able to get the memory of being dropped in that past fight out of his head. Dillian Whyte is a serious puncher. Of course so too is Joshua.
Make no mistake I think AJ is the most potent heavyweight I've seen since a young Iron Mike.
My take on the fight was that Fury was likely the only person who could have beaten VK as he had the one thing that prevented him going through the same boring but effective game plan that had kept him the title for so long. This plan is use your big reach advantage to prevent your opponent having chance of hurting you, use the same reach to keep a frustrating and point scoring jab in his face and when he gets too frustrated and takes risks to try and get inside unload the heavy right hand. Time and time again it worked and the opponent either succumbed to this pattern and got knocked out by the right or played safe and just ate up the jab all night and lost on points.
Fury however had a reach advantage and so Vlad was unable to score the points with the jab nor get close enough himself to land the right. The key factor as to why he lost was that he was unwilling to take a chance as many of his own opponents were against him and try and get inside to unload. Vlad is firstly a cautious fighter and he was not used to having to throw that caution to the wind.
If he takes a re match his game plan will have to change, but if it does he is the better boxer and so it would be foolish to write him off. He beat himself yesterday, which is not say Fury should not get huge credit for executing a plan, the right plan to a tee.
Fury however had a reach advantage and so Vlad was unable to score the points with the jab nor get close enough himself to land the right. The key factor as to why he lost was that he was unwilling to take a chance as many of his own opponents were against him and try and get inside to unload. Vlad is firstly a cautious fighter and he was not used to having to throw that caution to the wind.
If he takes a re match his game plan will have to change, but if it does he is the better boxer and so it would be foolish to write him off. He beat himself yesterday, which is not say Fury should not get huge credit for executing a plan, the right plan to a tee.
Spot on . But Vlad hasn't taken any chances in the past 11 years so he is highly unlikely to change now . The last time he took a chance he was bouncing off the canvas about 5 times .
I'm glad Vlad was beaten . It's time for a new era. He reigned for a long time , but I'm sure no fight fan will be unhappy to see his mechanical and robotic style banished into retirement .
Agreed mostly Blue but I'm not as convinced as you are that Klits is the better boxer. I think Fury outboxed and outfoxed him and was able to land the few telling blows. He actually took the piss out of Klits by showing him his chin with hands down his side (Ali style), dancing around with hands behind his back. It must have been humiliating for the champ to have someone in front of him so full of confidence. Being outreached, as you say, nullified his predictable style.
From an entertainment viewpoint I haven't enjoyed a fight so much for ages. Fury, head jerking, shoulders jerking, looked a total nutter and had us in fits with his antics. He also caught Klits with some clean punches. I believe Klits was afraid to take any risks for fear of getting caught. All through the last round Fury was losing his pants and having to put his arms behind him to try to pull them up. Even then Klits couldn't get to him; he was demoralised.
To be honest, Fury has gone up in my estimation and I have a lot more respect for him as a boxer. I'd be surprised if the re-match takes place. A more likely scenario is that something will prevent it and then Klits will retire. If they should meet again I reckon Fury will win with the fight being stopped.
From an entertainment viewpoint I haven't enjoyed a fight so much for ages. Fury, head jerking, shoulders jerking, looked a total nutter and had us in fits with his antics. He also caught Klits with some clean punches. I believe Klits was afraid to take any risks for fear of getting caught. All through the last round Fury was losing his pants and having to put his arms behind him to try to pull them up. Even then Klits couldn't get to him; he was demoralised.
To be honest, Fury has gone up in my estimation and I have a lot more respect for him as a boxer. I'd be surprised if the re-match takes place. A more likely scenario is that something will prevent it and then Klits will retire. If they should meet again I reckon Fury will win with the fight being stopped.
As much as i don't like Fury, the exciting thing now for me is that even though the heavyweight division is still fairly week, its improving and getting entertaining again. Wilder, champion but unproven, Fury, champion, now proven against THE best, Joshua full of potential, could be anything, could be another Price (although unlikely), Haye, always exciting has he still got it after 3 years out?
I don't think last night was a fluke in any way shape or form, Fury just absolutely flummoxed Wlad. I think if the rematch does happen neither of them will be able to fight the same way, i don't think Wlad will fall for it twice and i'd still give him a great chance in the rematch. You can never right Last nights fight however was one of the worst i've seen in a while and that was mostly down to Klitschko. Fury did everything he said he would apart from get the knockout and its not like he didn't try to get Klitschko to engage.
What i don't want to see happen now is the titles changing hands every couple of months
I don't think last night was a fluke in any way shape or form, Fury just absolutely flummoxed Wlad. I think if the rematch does happen neither of them will be able to fight the same way, i don't think Wlad will fall for it twice and i'd still give him a great chance in the rematch. You can never right Last nights fight however was one of the worst i've seen in a while and that was mostly down to Klitschko. Fury did everything he said he would apart from get the knockout and its not like he didn't try to get Klitschko to engage.
What i don't want to see happen now is the titles changing hands every couple of months
Picture the scene. Fury v AJ in a fight next weekend. How'd you price them up smokey?
(Bearing in mind you felt 400s was stingy on Fury last night, I'm looking 3 figures here at least
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(Bearing in mind you felt 400s was stingy on Fury last night, I'm looking 3 figures here at least
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I wouldn't have Fury at 400/1 that's for sure! Tough one that is Beefy, i'm trying very hard not to get on the Joshua band wagon, coz he's fought absolutely no one but he looks so good at what he's doing. Fury on the other hand showed pretty much **** all in 24 fights then just ripped 3 world titles from Wladmir Klitschko. I think Fury lacks any real power and i think thats what AJ needs to be tested with. So with going with gut instinct i'd have to say Joshua by KO. I really don't want to underestimate what Fury did last night, he deserves every second of the glory he's earned but Joshua could be really special. One thing i have changed my mind on though is that after last night i think Fury beats Wilder.
What are your thoughts on AJ/Fury?
In summary mate I see it as below. This is based on what we've seen and reflects the fact AJ hasnt had the opportunity to beat anyone 'workdclass' yet.
Fury's got the greater jab. He's the better mover. He's faster. He's got better boxing nous/boxing brain. He's got longer reach. He's proven over 12 rounds.
Joshua's got FAR more power. Joshua could just be a class above but that's yet to be proven. He COULD become a real star, Fury won't.
I'd be unsurprised should the bookies price it up with AJ as favourite such is the way he's destroyed everyone so far. That and the fact the hype around him makes it sound like he'd beat Ali, Tyson and Lewis at the same time with just one hand! But like last night I'd back Fury but unlike last night I'd fully expect to collect for the simple reason is Fury would be smart enough to keep away from his bombs. Fury for all his limitations has a boxing brain and he clearly befuddled a very good champion last night. Fury would either outbox him for 12 rounds and win a landslide points decision or else take him out late on. Fury doesn't have huge power for a big lump does he.
I see they've the Fury/Klitschko rematch priced up as joints basically. If thats happening, I'll be going large on Fury. He's a 1/2 shot to win the rematch in my eye. There's no logical reasoning to suggest the 39 year old can beat the younger man this time. None at all. It'll be even easier second time around.
Fury's got the greater jab. He's the better mover. He's faster. He's got better boxing nous/boxing brain. He's got longer reach. He's proven over 12 rounds.
Joshua's got FAR more power. Joshua could just be a class above but that's yet to be proven. He COULD become a real star, Fury won't.
I'd be unsurprised should the bookies price it up with AJ as favourite such is the way he's destroyed everyone so far. That and the fact the hype around him makes it sound like he'd beat Ali, Tyson and Lewis at the same time with just one hand! But like last night I'd back Fury but unlike last night I'd fully expect to collect for the simple reason is Fury would be smart enough to keep away from his bombs. Fury for all his limitations has a boxing brain and he clearly befuddled a very good champion last night. Fury would either outbox him for 12 rounds and win a landslide points decision or else take him out late on. Fury doesn't have huge power for a big lump does he.
I see they've the Fury/Klitschko rematch priced up as joints basically. If thats happening, I'll be going large on Fury. He's a 1/2 shot to win the rematch in my eye. There's no logical reasoning to suggest the 39 year old can beat the younger man this time. None at all. It'll be even easier second time around.
Anthony Joshua would get inside Fury and KO him in no more than 5 rounds IMO. thats not to say I don't rate Fury, but I think Joshua is destined for greatness.
Fair enough he hasn't faced anyone yet, but the manner in which he's beating his opponents has been hugely impressive. He reminds me of Mike Tyson in his early days, as he has the skill and power to rip through the heavyweight division, and he will do in time.
The reason he will continue to fight bums for a few more fights is purely for financial purposes. Joshua is ready to take on Fury or Klitchko but the promoters will want to make sure they can cash in big time when he finally goes up to the top table. So the more wins by KO they can get together before he goes up to the big time the better for his growing reputation.
They did the same with Tyson when he was first coming through, and by the time he did go for a world title the hype train was in overdrive. So theyll bide their time with Joshua and wait for the right time to go for a world title, and against the right opponent to maximise revenue
Fair enough he hasn't faced anyone yet, but the manner in which he's beating his opponents has been hugely impressive. He reminds me of Mike Tyson in his early days, as he has the skill and power to rip through the heavyweight division, and he will do in time.
The reason he will continue to fight bums for a few more fights is purely for financial purposes. Joshua is ready to take on Fury or Klitchko but the promoters will want to make sure they can cash in big time when he finally goes up to the top table. So the more wins by KO they can get together before he goes up to the big time the better for his growing reputation.
They did the same with Tyson when he was first coming through, and by the time he did go for a world title the hype train was in overdrive. So theyll bide their time with Joshua and wait for the right time to go for a world title, and against the right opponent to maximise revenue
Just because he has the same height and reach, it doesn't mean Fury will find him easy too. looking at both guys physiques the 6kg that Fury is heavier by is mainly down to him being taller and the fact he carries a lot more fat than Joshua does. Joshua though looks the bigger guy as his weight is actually muscle weight rather than weight from carrying excess fat. So in terms of lean muscle mass Joshua is the bigger stronger man.
No wonder Fury has been throwing around accusations of steroid use in boxing, as Fury doesnt exactly have a great physique.
Joshua much like Mike Tyson is a genetic elite and is a far more naturally athletic and more powerful guy than Fury is.
Now without wanting to take to much away from Furys performance, but he even said it himself on many occasions in the build up. Klitchko is 39 and it's hard to believe he is anywhere near his peak these days. He's obviously still very good, but 39 is pretty old, and it's not like Klitchko has faced anyone decent in recent years, David Haye was probably the best one, and that was a few years ago when Klitchko was a lot younger. I think a lot of his recent opponents have all been carefully selected. Fury had to really battle to get his shot, and the likes of Deontay Wilder has been constantly overlooked for a crack at him despite being the obvious challenger for quite some time now. So it isn't all that far fetched for Anthony Joshua to be better than an ageing Klitchko
I think AJ is a great prospect but he I would not risk him yet. It's a little like Racing, Novices do not often win the Gold cup as it is usually over facing them too quickly, their are exceptions as Coneygree proved but not many will pull it off. Let AJ get another 12 months of meaningful fights behind him and then look for a shot at whoever is champ in spring 2017.
I will be interested in seeing how David Haye returns as he is a very talented Boxer, not necessarily such a talented fighter but a very good boxer. I believe he has a mental block on Tyson Fury and was a little afraid, but to my eye Fury is made for him. If you watch Fury the biggest issue is his punches are very much telegraphed and his arms being so long make big arcs, meaning a fast boxer can get inside and upper cut or work the body, VK could not as too big and not fast enough, Derek Chisora cannot as too slow and immobile, David Haye could however, if and it's a big if he decides to fight and not just place safety first as he did against VK. Haye had the talent to be Vlad but decided to not risk it. I do very much feel Haye avoided Fury however and do not see him lining up for that fight unless seriously short of cash.
I will be interested in seeing how David Haye returns as he is a very talented Boxer, not necessarily such a talented fighter but a very good boxer. I believe he has a mental block on Tyson Fury and was a little afraid, but to my eye Fury is made for him. If you watch Fury the biggest issue is his punches are very much telegraphed and his arms being so long make big arcs, meaning a fast boxer can get inside and upper cut or work the body, VK could not as too big and not fast enough, Derek Chisora cannot as too slow and immobile, David Haye could however, if and it's a big if he decides to fight and not just place safety first as he did against VK. Haye had the talent to be Vlad but decided to not risk it. I do very much feel Haye avoided Fury however and do not see him lining up for that fight unless seriously short of cash.