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Dancingbraveforever said:
Spoken by a person who has never stepped in a ring.

Not everyone can Arturo Gatti or Iron Mike.

A much as I don't like Furys style, he puts himself in the ring to be KO,ed , just like every other boxer that steps into the ring.
It just so happens that nobody yet has the skill or power to finish him off.

Wilder has power but that's all he has. He doesn't gave the required skill to open up more skilled or elusive fighters. He needs to soften them up with stiff jabs and body shots. He can't do any of this as its not in his makeup or skill set.

So before we berate Fury and his lack of gladiatorial instinct, think about what you would you do if you faced Wilder. Would you stand and trader with a banger(even if you didn't gave the same power), or would you use your elusiveness and attempt to stay away from a potential KO.
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So you call me out on having never stepped in a boxing ring(which is true) You then go on to give the world heavyweight champion advice on how to open up his opponents. Some double standards going on there mate, as I’m pretty sure your not Barry McGuigan either.

Either way my point is more about how i see a professional fight. It shouldn’t be a game of cat and mouse. It’s quite clear to me that Deontay Wilder landed the heavier blows, and did the most damage to his opponent.

Wilders game plan was never to win rounds, Wilders game plan was to take out his opponent, and yeah he threw a lot of wild punches, but that’s the chance you take when your a fighter. Fury’s game plan from start to finish was to hide behind his long reach, and nick rounds 10-9 without taking any risks. That’s not fighting, that’s playing the game if you ask me.

I don’t doubt that Fury showed great heart in getting up from the floor twice, but I really don’t see why Wilder should have lost his belt, when he’s not even been remotely troubled by any of Fury’s punches for 12 rounds.
 
King Shergar said:
So you call me out on having never stepped in a boxing ring(which is true) You then go on to give the world heavyweight champion advice on how to open up his opponents. Some double standards going on there mate, as I’m pretty sure your not Barry McGuigan either.

Either way my point is more about how i see a professional fight. It shouldn’t be a game of cat and mouse. It’s quite clear to me that Deontay Wilder landed the heavier blows, and did the most damage to his opponent.

Wilders game plan was never to win rounds, Wilders game plan was to take out his opponent, and yeah he threw a lot of wild punches, but that’s the chance you take when your a fighter. Fury’s game plan from start to finish was to hide behind his long reach, and nick rounds 10-9 without taking any risks. That’s not fighting, that’s playing the game if you ask me.

I don’t doubt that Fury showed great heart in getting up from the floor twice, but I really don’t see why Wilder should have lost his belt, when he’s not even been remotely troubled by any of Fury’s punches for 12 rounds.
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It's not called fighting kiddo, it's called boxing.

I do understand your frustration with fury and his lack of violent intention. But he boxed well behind his jab and won the fight in my opinion quite convincingly.

Wilder huffed and puffed but he didn't land with enough regularity to win.
 
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Apparently the judge that awarded the fight to Wilder had Wilder 5-0 after 5 rounds. That means that, apart from the 2 knock downs, he awarded all the remaining rounds to Fury. Interesting. Some are calling for the judge to never be allowed to judge again, and that includes Americans
 
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The WBC has finally had a say in the Wilder - Fury affair. Yesterday it released a statement calling for a rematch, but has yet to make a decision on a mandatory status. The WBC has been highly protective of Wilder in the past, so it'll be interesting to see if they force an immediate rematch, or allow Wilder to sidestep the fight for a while.

The whole thing is still up for grabs. Wilder - Fury, Wilder - Joshua & Joshua - Fury. Whichever way it goes, there will be a massive payout for the combatants. Who gets in first? Will Joshua and Hearn now feel the need to get at Wilder before Fury? And how much power does Wilder now have? He'll be able to demand a hell of a lot more that Matchroom have offered in the past.
 
There are two wold title fights this weekend. The premier event will be the Vasyl Lomachenko - Jose Pedraza clash. Loma holds the WBA LIghtweight title and Pedraza is the WBO champion. Lomachenko is the hot favourite for the bout. He's 1-20 and Pedraza is a 14- shot. There appears to be a huge gulf in class in this division. Quite rightly, Lomachenko is rated No 1 in the world, while 4 weight champion Mikey Garcia is No 2. Despite being at long odds for this fight, Pedraza is listed at a lofty No 4 in the world. It's easy to see why the world is waiting for the Loma - Garcia fight. Forums are saying that Bob Arum's Top Rank might be a stumbling block here.

The other interesting fight is between the Ghana born Brit and WBO Super Bantamweight Champion Isaac Dogboe and the Mexican Emanuel Navarrete, ranked 2 by the WBO. Dogboe is not a heavy puncher, but has some class. He's a 1-10 fav over Navarrete's 15-2. Dogboe has met fighters many levels above those of the Mexican, so a stoppage isn't out of the question. He's won all 20 with just the 14 of them by KO. Navarrete on the other hand seems to have power. He's won 25 of 26, with 24 early finishes. He must have a puncher's chance I suppose.

Oh, and Kell Brook returns tonight against the Australian Michael Zerafa. This should be a flogging. Brook, 1-33. Zerafa 20-1.
 
Today in New York's Madison Square Garden, England's WBA Regular World Super Middleweight Champion Rocky Fielding put his title on the line against none other than the three weight world champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, the reigning WBC & WBA Middleweight Champion. Fielding went in with a massive height and reach advantage, but was cricket score odds in the betting. Surely his coach was taking the piss at the end of the second when he told Rocky that Canelo was "****ing blowing now, he's emptied his tank."

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Cyclonic said:
Today in New York's Madison Square Garden, England's WBA Regular World Super Middleweight Champion Rocky Fielding put his title on the line against none other than the three weight world champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, the reigning WBC & WBA Middleweight Champion. Fielding went in with a massive height and reach advantage, but was cricket score odds in the betting. Surely his coach was taking the piss at the end of the second when he told Rocky that Canelo was "****ing blowing now, he's emptied his tank."

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You probably won't see a more pointless match up. A domestic level fighter against an elite.
 
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Ron said:
Not much interest in the Chisora v White fight tonight
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Evening Ron,

Warrington v Frampton is where you want to be tonight <ok> Eddie would have won more respect tonight if he put White and Chisora on regular Sky instead of trying to piece together a PPV.

A peak Frampton would win this convincingly but Warrington has heart and relentless work rate. Think Frampton may pick him off. (I’d say a rematch at Elland Road if this is competitive looks nailed on as it’s good £££ for both fighters but crucually its all £££ managed by Frank Warren)
 
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Earlier this evening I watched Chisora's pathetic attempt to take on Tyson Fury. It was so one sided most of the audience left long before the end of the fight (well not a fight but a Fury training session). Surely Chisora can't have any thoughts of challenging for a World Title. He would be humiliated, again. If you reckon neither deserved to lose then I can only presume that Whyte would also be wasting his time thinking of Fury, Wilder or Joshua. Although from what Ortez said, Whyte does hit hard and Joshua knows that too
 
The Whyte - Chisora fight proved to be rather interesting. Chisora pressed most of the fight and seemed to be slightly more free with his hands. Both fighters strayed below the belt all night, which was understandable I suppose, as they spent large chunks of the bout with their heads almost locked together. The ref was a bit of a pain though, he took heat from the fight. And the second point deduction from Chisora was petty.

I kind of feel sorry for Chisora. He's 34 and nearing the end. He had 2 points taken from him and led on of the judges cards going into the eleventh, then gets chinned. Still, it looks as though he'll earn a nice purse. According to a site called Boxing Kingdom, Whyte will receive 8.3 million pounds and Chisora 3 million.

I think Whyte's stock may have taken a hit.
 
Of anyone’s stock rose last night it was Josh Warrington. What a terrific performance- much more venom and intent than I thought he could bring. Frampton looked stunned to be honest.

Other than a rematch, it’s hard to think about where Frampton goes next.
 
Frampton has had a wonderful career. He's been a multiple weight world champion and has fought some serious opponents along the way, including Santa Cruz and Donaire, but I can't but feel that the defeat to Santa Cruz in the return match, took a lot out of him. He's looked a little jaded to me. Having said that though, he's still a world class fighter, just maybe not the fighter he once was.

And when do boxers age? The heavier fighters seem to be able to extend their careers longer then the lighter weights. I think there still decent fights out there for Frampton. The likes of Abner Mares, Jesus Rojas, Gary Russell Jr, Kid Galahad and Oscar Valdez are still possible opponents for Frampton, so the man is still in the mix. He'll be 32 next February though and time is on the march.

I believe the IBO belt is still vacant and Frampton is ranked 1, ahead of Mares, Selby, Diaz Jr, Nyambayar, Donaire and Galahad. You'd think Frampton would be first cab off the rank, so who knows, he may still have another title in him yet.
 
Very interesting documentary was on BBC4 last night: Who Killed Freddie Mills?

There were some great boxing clips from Freddie's career including his two world title bouts with Gus Lesnevich I was a babe in arms for his first one and only two years old by the second one, but as a kid going to school for the first time, it was amazing that he was every school boy's hero. And I'd forgotten just how popular he became after he quit the ring, going on to be one of the first of what we call A-list celebrities today.

The questions about his death still remain unresolved of course, although there was a surprising revelation towards the end (I won't say what in case it is a spoiler)

If you have BBC i-Player then check it out :)
 
WTF! I missed this bout while on the high seas, but seriously, what the **** is Floyd Mayweather doing? He's earned himself a wonderful career, why smear those achievements and memories with bouts like this effort against Tenshin Nasukawa? The latter is a Featherweight kick boxer come MMA fighter with a 27-0 record. The poor little bloke had to spot Floyd 10 pounds on fight night. Mayweather is already being though of in some quarters as a man who avoided opponents until past their prime, now he beating upon a bloke who had no right to be in a boxing match, even if it was just an exhibition.

**** off Floyd.

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Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton, two of the all time greats. The title is misleading as the two don't actually fight each other. Keaton's slapstick as he enters the ring as funny as hell, but Chaplin steals the fight scenes. Wonderful stuff.

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Cyclonic said:
Charlie Chaplin and Buster Keaton, two of the all time greats. The title is misleading as the two don't actually fight each other. Keaton's slapstick as he enters the ring as funny as hell, but Chaplin steals the fight scenes. Wonderful stuff.

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Sorry to go off the subject Cyc. But what do you think about Khan v Bud Crawford?
 
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