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Citizen Kane said:
Either way it looks like it'll be neck and neck. Even though I'm voting Out, I think Remain will clinch it by a Modric nose. If social media presence is anything to go by (often is in an age when 'professional' pollsters are outdoing each other to get predictions wrong), it couldn't be closer. Leave's Facebook page is on 530,678 supporters, Remain have 526,593...couldn't be closer although I would say that Remain voters tend to come from a younger demographic which means one would expect a disproportionate social media presence. If the average person above 65 is (supposedly) voting Leave, they probably won't be on Facebook or Twitter, so those figures are pretty impressive.

In any event, I see this referendum as a true privilege of democracy that generations fought to secure and preserve.
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Facebook is more dangerous than IS. Remember, if you have a Facebook account every western government and probably most eastern governments know who your friends are, who you talk to, which football team you support, what you like to eat, what you look like, how old you are, where you go on holiday, what you did last night, how you are feeling, your mobile number, your email address, where your were when you last posted and all that just for starters. Big brother in the guise of Facebitch is watching you!
 
Facebook itself is not the issue - it's generally the muppets that use it, not controlling what they post, not managing and controlling access to their data - bit like going on holiday for a month and leaving the front door open - and putting up a sign in the street inviting visitors........ <doh>

Posted this previously but it's worth another airing:
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Spur of the Moment said:
Facebook itself is not the issue - it's generally the muppets that use it, not controlling what they post, not managing and controlling access to their data - bit like going on holiday for a month and leaving the front door open - and putting up a sign in the street inviting visitors........ <doh>
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I don't agree. Even if you hide everything Facebook will supply Governments with all of the info you put in and anything more that they can find out about you.. That's why they get away with paying nominal tax, governments need them. They can gather info on anyone silly enough to open an account.

I recently opened a new account for my wife using a false name, false gender, foreign mobile number not registered to anyone and brand new email account which I set up from Spain. Within minutes they were suggesting half of current friends as potential new friends on the new account. There must be some kind of cookie in her tablet which immediately linked her to her real identity. It frightened her so much she has closed and deleted all of her accounts.
 
deedub93 said:
I don't agree. Even if you hide everything Facebook will supply Governments with all of the info you put in and anything more that they can find out about you.. That's why they get away with paying nominal tax, governments need them.
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Govts need the tax revenue and employment scale they bring to a nation.
That, and not govt data analytics, is the reason they pay low taxes.

These companies are clever though.

AFAIK, my ISP allocates my home Internet connection a fixed IP address.

Youtube are obviously storing / dimensioning by IP addr as I get stuff in the "recommended" list that
relates to previous visits. They have some context even though they cannot relate it to a specific
user account.
 
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The RDBD said:
Govts need the tax revenue and employment scale they bring to a nation.
That, and not govt data analytics, is the reason they pay low taxes.

These companies are clever though.

AFAIK, my ISP allocates my home Internet connection a fixed IP address.

Youtube are obviously storing / dimensioning by IP addr as I get stuff in the "recommended" list that
relates to previous visits. They have some context even though they cannot relate it to a specific
user account.
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I set the new account up from an IP address in Spain, there is now way that they could associate that with my home fixed IP address.
 
deedub93 said:
I don't agree. Even if you hide everything Facebook will supply Governments with all of the info you put in and anything more that they can find out about you.. That's why they get away with paying nominal tax, governments need them. They can gather info on anyone silly enough to open an account.

I recently opened a new account for my wife using a false name, false gender, foreign mobile number not registered to anyone and brand new email account which I set up from Spain. Within minutes they were suggesting half of current friends as potential new friends on the new account. There must be some kind of cookie in her tablet which immediately linked her to her real identity. It frightened her so much she has closed and deleted all of her accounts.
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And all so she could post silly, smiley selfies and comment that everything's "awesome" no doubt?<diva>
 
deedub93 said:
I set the new account up from an IP address in Spain, there is now way that they could associate that with my home fixed IP address.
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Identity is all about the context lying around that can be pieced together to see a bigger picture.
Internet cookies are one such item. But you can always clear the cache before closing, configure
some browsers to clear the cache upon exit etc.

You thought you were smart. Their systems were smarter.
Put it down to experience and think about how you use the Internet (sites, tools etc) .
But don't go "tin foil hat" mad. :)
 
Speaking of tin foil hat madness, the Fail are telling their readers to make sure that they bring a pen to the polls.
They're afraid that MI5 are going to change the votes later on, if they've been done with a pencil.
Seriously. I'm not making that up.

Charlie Brooker has responded with a reasonable and well thought out tweet:
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PleaseNotPoll said:
Speaking of tin foil hat madness, the Fail are telling their readers to make sure that they bring a pen to the polls.
They're afraid that MI5 are going to change the votes later on, if they've been done with a pencil.
Seriously. I'm not making that up.
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I hope the Fail told them explicitly to use BLACK pens (in case the counting machines are optical-based
and don't scan other ink colours that well) . :)
 
Lots to discuss today after the referendum but unsurprisingly the worst possible day to do so as nobody knows anything for certain. It's all speculation for now, and I would also suggest that any major stock market / money market moves today will be traders trying to make a profit based on fear rather than fact.

One thing I do wonder though is if today will be used as cover to sneak through some other news stories that are quite important and deserve more attention, that simply won't get it.
 
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