Big Sam for the chop?

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Grifter said:
So you're basing your assertion that he'd "go now" purely on his previous affiliations with the club? Most managers are ex players, most of them have played for various teams (/have soft spots for them)- yet most don't let their career moves be solely guided by who their past employers were.

1) Harry will get paid more at QPR
2) He has a great relationship with the owners, which must make his job a lot easier. That can't be understated.
3) He'll get more funds at QPR
4) I get the impression he cares what people think of him. He cares about the "Redknapp legacy", and knows being relegated with QPR then not returning them to the PL, would be a blot on his copy book.
5) Him and his coaching staff are settled here.
6) West ham are second from bottom, and three points from safety.He's just been through one relegation blighted campaign, I don't think he'll fancy another. They've just been pasted 5-0 by forest, who only stuck 2 past us.
Etc etc.

I'm assuming if you're slinging statements around like "he'd go now" and "his heart has never been in it", you must've really done your research, and kept thoroughly up to date with all his public appearances re QPR. You'll be carefully analysing his body language/mannerisms in all his pre/post match interviews etc.
I'll probably have to defer to your expertise on that one.
Personally though, whilst watching his weekly interviews on QPR player I've noticed no indication that he's unhappy at the club. Media regularly quiz him on different links with managerial positions, what it's like at QPR, what the plans for the future are- and the responses are always satisfactory/honest.

The only Arry' evasiveness/spin there's been this season has related to transfers/opinions on matches; which is par for the course.
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Common sense post at last
 
Grifter said:
So you're basing your assertion that he'd "go now" purely on his previous affiliations with the club? Most managers are ex players, most of them have played for various teams (/have soft spots for them)- yet most don't let their career moves be solely guided by who their past employers were.

1) Harry will get paid more at QPR
2) He has a great relationship with the owners, which must make his job a lot easier. That can't be understated.
3) He'll get more funds at QPR
4) I get the impression he cares what people think of him. He cares about the "Redknapp legacy", and knows being relegated with QPR then not returning them to the PL, would be a blot on his copy book.
5) Him and his coaching staff are settled here.
6) West ham are second from bottom, and three points from safety.He's just been through one relegation blighted campaign, I don't think he'll fancy another. They've just been pasted 5-0 by forest, who only stuck 2 past us.
Etc etc.

I'm assuming if you're slinging statements around like "he'd go now" and "his heart has never been in it", you must've really done your research, and kept thoroughly up to date with all his public appearances re QPR. You'll be carefully analysing his body language/mannerisms in all his pre/post match interviews etc.
I'll probably have to defer to your expertise on that one.
Personally though, whilst watching his weekly interviews on QPR player I've noticed no indication that he's unhappy at the club. Media regularly quiz him on different links with managerial positions, what it's like at QPR, what the plans for the future are- and the responses are always satisfactory/honest.

The only Arry' evasiveness/spin there's been this season has related to transfers/opinions on matches; which is par for the course.
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He's a professional, and very good at the media game, but do you not recall the vibe he was giving out in the summer? He took on a tough, maybe impossible job, and quite soon regretted it. He had given up on our staying up way before it was mathematically confirmed. He wanted out, but wouldn't walk because he wouldn't get paid if he did. He's going through the motions with his interviews, but deep down he doesn't care enough.
 
Stroller said:
He's a professional, and very good at the media game, but do you not recall the vibe he was giving out in the summer? He took on a tough, maybe impossible job, and quite soon regretted it. He had given up on our staying up way before it was mathematically confirmed. He wanted out, but wouldn't walk because he wouldn't get paid if he did.
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The summer vibes were really poor, but that was a while ago now. He was surrounded by a sea of sh1te at a "sick" club, and probably needed to play hardball to get what he wanted. The personnel turnover was massive, but since getting his own player in there's been an attitude shift in my opinion.
When was the last time he referred to QPR as "they" ? Not since June-ish probably.

Stroller said:
He's going through the motions with his interviews, but deep down he doesn't care enough.
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Where's the evidence?
 
Grifter said:
The summer vibes were really poor, but that was a while ago now. He was surrounded by a sea of sh1te at a "sick" club, and probably needed to play hardball to get what he wanted. The personnel turnover was massive, but since getting his own player in there's been an attitude shift in my opinion.
When was the last time he referred to QPR as "they" ? Not since June-ish probably.



Where's the evidence?
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I rest my case.
 
I'm still undecided on "Arry" TBH
I just dont see him walking out this season, he has nothing to gain.
I could see macClaren going as it was a chance to manage an old club that he obviously loved and a promotion to managers position.
Aside from Harrys previous with West Ham, i genuinely dont see what he has to gain by going back.
He wont get as much cash, He'll get relegated (again), he'll be working for 2 "difficult" individuals & chances are that a large section of the fan base still hate him anyway. We have to remember that there were plenty glad to see the back of him.
If it were for a better placed bigger premiership team, then i could understand it...but its not.
I think he'll opt to sit it out with us at least for this season.
Whether that is a good or bad thing is a diffrent story

Just keep beating myself up over why we let MacClaren go and why we didnt get OGS long ago...<wah>
 
Sam's in trouble now, he has just received the dreaded vote of confidence.

Harry odds on with some bookies but I don't believe that he will leave us at the moment. He we fail to go back up then I think he will leave at the end of the season.
 
West Ham are 3-0 down in the 1st leg of their League Cup Semi-Final match at Man City.

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2024: GOAL - Man City 3-0 West Ham - Yaya Toure (40 mins)

Dear oh dear oh dear! Yaya Toure scores a third goal but he is almost invited to. He picks the ball up in the centre circle and Roger Johnson just retreats and retreats, backing off all the way to the edge of the area without making a challenge. Alvaro Negredo is on for a pass but Toure takes the selfish option, thumping past a bewildered Adrian.

2010: GOAL - Man City 2-0 West Ham - Alvaro Negredo (26 mins)
A hot, Spanish knife through East End butter!

Edin Dzeko slides a fine through ball into the run of strike partner Alvaro Negredo, his first touch takes him away from the covering defender before slamming a left-footed drive high into the roof of the net. That may well be that already...

1956: GOAL - Man City 1-0 West Ham - Alvaro Negredo (12 mins)
A brutally simple, but brilliant goal breaks the deadlock! Yaya Toure is given space and time inside the centre circle, he looks up and floats a quarterback pass over the top, right into the run of Alvaro Negredo who is in between Joey O'Brien and George McCartney and meets the ball on the full, thrashing in the volley with his left foot. Brilliant, brilliant finish.

"Hate to say it as a Utd fan but City are going to destroy WHU tonight, I can see an 8 or 9-0."

"Lets teach Sam what long ball football is about, said Yaya as he sent that over the top"

"Not sure if that goal was appalling defending from West Ham or a really good goal from Negredo."
 
"Steve from Guildford, via text: "It's devastating to see no desire or determination from the players, they should be demonstrating at least some professionalism by at least playing for pride and the badge on the shirt, can't say I blame big Sam."

Sounds like us at Everton?

Danny Mills - "If there is no reaction from the West Ham players in the final 40 minutes of this game then it could be a very difficult time for the board of West Ham United and Sam Allardyce. If I was one of the owners then the rest of this game would define everything for me and determine what happens."
 
Well as pornographers at least Sam is giving them some material in that they can publish pics of West Ham being fu@ked over week in week out.
 
daverangers said:
Just seen this on the QPR page on facebook;

https://twitter.com/BBCSporf/status/419826424950697984

No mention of our Harry, but Sam Allardyce is well up there in 13 place with a whopping 2.95 million a year. If this is true, he might hold on to his job purely because the payoff would need to be a massive layout for West Ham.
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Redknapp is 26th in the world which is bad for a second division manager.
Both are massively overpaid although fat Sam is far more overpaid than redknapp.
 
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