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Big Fraser

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  1. Schrodinger's Cat

    Schrodinger's Cat Well-Known Member

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    Fraser Fortress...says it all for me. Commanding and calm, he is the cream on top of our already fine defensive dessert
     
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  2. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    There's only one 's' in desert... oh, wait...
     
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  3. Clem Fandango

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    A song with memorable words and a good tune...who knew that was possible<laugh>
     
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  5. Whiteley Saint

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    My reaction to this thread was shoot me now. Hence I have only just ventured back to see if it is safe. Seems to be safe now :emoticon-0138-think
     
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  6. Saint Helen

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    I just rolled my eyes and left them to it.
     
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    Nothing beats the condescension of self-righteous women.

    :D
     
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  8. fatletiss

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    Typical. Just because they didn't have an answer, they go silent.

    We know it was just because we were right .....<whistle>
     
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  9. Whiteley Saint

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    please log in to view this image
     
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  10. fran-MLs little camera

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    A man who was right.....hold the back page.<laugh>
     
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    Men like to debate; women like to gossip.

    Men's talk is competitive; women's talk is communal.

    Men rule; women drool.
     
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  12. Whiteley Saint

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    Women talk sense, men talk nonsense. :)
     
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  13. fran-MLs little camera

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    Think we should stop before someone says something they will regret<laugh>
    Especially as women never forgeto_O
     
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  14. tomw24

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    You nicked my smiley! :(
     
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  15. fran-MLs little camera

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    That is a very useful smiley for on here.
     
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  16. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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  17. It’s Only A Game

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    Clean sheets are a reflection of the defence as a whole rather than the goalkeepers performance IMO. Saves to shots ratio is probably more of an accurate guide to how well the goalie is doing. Big Fraser didn't have that many shots to save against Watford, WBA, Man U and West Ham but made up for that in the Arsenal game alone.
    It wasn't too long ago (in his Saints career) that opinion on here was split as to how good Fraser was. Some had reservations about his allround game and even though I didn't comment at the time, I was among them. There's no doubting his reflexes, positioning and handling are all top notch but some questioned that his slowness off the line for one thing, was a possible weakness.
    I love not conceding and it's great to have him back in goal, particularly after such a serious injury but I think he still has aspects of his game to improve on, especially if he wants to be considered England's No1.
     
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  18. fatletiss

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    There aren't many players who couldn't improve in some aspect. There is a big difference in realising that someone can improve and giving them a bit of a bashing. Fraser got a bit of that on here before.

    Shots to save ratio only tells you how well the keeper is doing at shot stopping. It tells you nothing about how well he handles crosses, how well he distributes the ball, how well he organises his defence.

    These discussions often come down to individual people's outlook in general. Some people need to see the slightly more negative view on things.
     
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  19. latviandream

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    These are all particularly good points.

    Even shots to saves ratio can have some variance for both 'luck' and 'style of play' considerations at the end of the season. One goalie may have to face more one on ones from close range than another for example, which is dependent on how a team sets themselves up.
     
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  20. Puck

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    I suspect that when Stekelenburg was in goal we allowed a similar number of shots but they tended to be closer to the goal. I'm sure we conceded a few tap ins earlier in the season but I don't think that's looked like happening since Forster returned. I think some sites collect stats on that so someone could check in theory. I'm afraid I can't be bothered.
     
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