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Des Head

Des Head

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Okay, I've only just found out what BAME means. Maybe I'm stupid, maybe I'm just naive, but isn't lumping everybody who isn't white into one group massively offensive? Isn't legally obliging every club to interview one BAME candidate unbelievably racist? Are we interviewing female applicants? Or disabled dudes? Or bald guys?

I can't imagine being black, because I'm not, and I'm sure that thanks to plenty of ****s in the western world it's more difficult than I could possibly imagine, but I can't imagine being happy that I was interviewed just because I tick a box. That would surely feel proper ****, and you're not guaranteed a job, just a ****ing chat.

Am I just an idiot or is nobody free to get the most fit person for the job, irregardless* of skin colour, sexuality or follicles?

Thoughts? Other than I'm a contentious white bald man?

*I know that's not really a word, Castro
 
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Des Head said:
Okay, I've only just found out what BAME means. Maybe I'm stupid, maybe I'm just naive, but isn't lumping everybody who isn't white into one group massively offensive? Isn't legally obliging every club to interview one BAME candidate unbelievably racist? Are we interviewing female applicants? Or disabled dudes? Or bald guys?

I can't imagine being black, because I'm not, and I'm sure that thanks to plenty of ****s in the western world it's more difficult than I could possibly imagine, but I can't imagine being happy that I was interviewed just because I tick a box. That would surely feel proper ****, and you're not guaranteed a job, just a ****ing chat.

Am I just an idiot or is nobody free to get the most fit person for the job, irregardless* of skin colour, sexuality or follicles?

Thoughts? Other than I'm a contentious white bald man?

*I know that's not really a word, Castro
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You are all 3.
 
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Gone Fishing said:
You are not an idiot.
Just another example that the world has gone mad.
I despair.
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I don't think the world's gome mad
Gone Fishing said:
You are not an idiot.
Just another example that the world has gone mad.
I despair.
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We've not gone mad yet, but we may be on the way.

I have no issue with vacancies being open to everyone. I don't see why people should be excluded, or included, before they've proved their worth.

If Sol Campbell was our manager next season, and he was ****, it wouldn't be because he was black. If we got promoted, it wouldn't be because he was black.
 
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Des Head said:
Okay, I've only just found out what BAME means. Maybe I'm stupid, maybe I'm just naive, but isn't lumping everybody who isn't white into one group massively offensive? Isn't legally obliging every club to interview one BAME candidate unbelievably racist? Are we interviewing female applicants? Or disabled dudes? Or bald guys?

I can't imagine being black, because I'm not, and I'm sure that thanks to plenty of ****s in the western world it's more difficult than I could possibly imagine, but I can't imagine being happy that I was interviewed just because I tick a box. That would surely feel proper ****, and you're not guaranteed a job, just a ****ing chat.

Am I just an idiot or is nobody free to get the most fit person for the job, irregardless* of skin colour, sexuality or follicles?

Thoughts? Other than I'm a contentious white bald man?

*I know that's not really a word, Castro
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Million % agree. The world’s gone ****ing mad.
 
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Des Head said:
Yeah, standard response to a racist dude. I ain't, so add to the discussion instead.
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It's not obligated to give the job, just ' balances ' out (statistically) when looking at managers with similar qualifications and experiences , it was found that BME managers are less likely to be short listed / interviewed. My other comment was just sarcasm
 
Cortez91 said:
The game should be looking at why they’re statistically less likely to be shortlisted rather than forcing at least one person to be shortlisted - it doesn’t solve the problem in the least bit.
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I suspect the reason would be found to be ' institutional racism', so rather than change / challenge (attitude's) individuals , change behaviours hoping attitude's follow
 
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Ron Burguvdy said:
I suspect the reason would be found to be ' institutional racism', so rather than change / challenge (attitude's) individuals , change behaviours hoping attitude's follow
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Good points !.
You see a lot more Black American coaches in NFL and NBA over in America !
Take a look at European football and there isn't many at all !
I am surprised that we don't have more over here with the amount of different Nationalities we have playing here !!
 
Ron Burguvdy said:
I suspect the reason would be found to be ' institutional racism', so rather than change / challenge (attitude's) individuals , change behaviours hoping attitude's follow
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But clubs will just have an extra name on the shortlist. It’ll have very little impact this way.
 
Cortez91 said:
But clubs will just have an extra name on the shortlist. It’ll have very little impact this way.
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Behavioural change does often take a long time to change culture (seat belts in cars) though does not always work (mobiles whilst driving) even with carrots or sticks. I wonder what you would suggest would help?
 
Ron Burguvdy said:
Behavioural change does often take a long time to change culture (seat belts in cars) though does not always work (mobiles whilst driving) even with carrots or sticks. I wonder what you would suggest would help?
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If only it were that simple to help
 
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