Complaining about tyres is getting to popular for its own good. First F1, then gp2, now MotoGP are at it to.
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I was watching this too. So many bikes went off on pretty much the same corners and looked so easy. They looked like they were bouncing
Yeah, I was surprised to see it there as well. Who's the motoGP supplier? I suppose if all motorsport is complaining about the same issue, then at least it's not a reason why you'd watch one over another. Having said that, I really don't see the need for high deg tyres in motoGP. They were introduced in F1 to help with overtaking, but that isn't a problem with bikes, if anything the current tyres are reducing overtaking and racing.
It's bridgestone in MotoGP isn't it? Maybe they saw Pirelli getting all that publicity and wanted in
I didn't think they had high deg tyres in MotoGP, I thought they couldn't grip properly at large lean angles causing riders to slide out. I only saw about 10 laps at the beginning though, did they have degradation problems too?
If you watch any form of motorsport, tyres are an issue and always have been.
If you watch any form of motorsport, tyres are an issue and always have been.
I saw an interview with Scott Redding (I think), where he was moaning that chunks of the tyres were flying off, and no matter what he did he couldn't get the performance he wanted. I must admit I was only half watching though.
sorry, couldn't resist that
I'm not sure if he just got bored of bikes. V8's is his next project I believe.
Webber setting himself up for retirement? Fulfilling his Red Bull PR duties? Or a genuine statement?
Webber says new type of F1 racing is less exciting now
"I think as a group, especially for the guys north of 100 grands prix, we've seen a different make-up of how grands prix are run these days," said Webber, when asked by AUTOSPORT about how satisfying the racing is this year.
"It's in our skill set to have to deal with some of these challenges, as we always have, whether its V10s, V8s, refuelling, one-lap qualifying; Q1, Q2, Q3.
"I've seen most of the scenarios we've had to play with, and it is important for a driver to deal with them.
"But you saw in Monaco I started to look after my first set of tyres when we got to Turn 3! And we could see Nico [Rosberg] doing that as well.
"It [the racing] is different. Monaco was quite an extreme case for that in terms of pace, as I think it around GP2 pace, and that's getting quite extreme you'd say.
"It is also very strategic from the pitwall, as in this is where the tyres are, this is what we're capable of doing, can you please get us there?"
Pirelli fulfilling their quota to:
Pirelli warns blocked tyre changes will mean four-stop races
Pirelli has urged Formula 1 fans not to over-react if there are more four-stop races this year, after being forced to give up on plans to make its tyres more conservative.
The Italian company had hoped to be able to tweak its tyres this year on the back of unease about the high number of pitstops required in some early races, as well as a desire to eradicate the delaminations that affected some drivers.
But with a number of outfits blocking any attempt to change the tyres, amid fears it could hurt their competitive form, Pirelli is now only tweaking the bonding process used to make its rubber.
Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery concedes that he would have preferred being able to make bigger changes to the tyres, but says fans should brace themselves for some races where there will be more stops than usual.
Webber says new type of F1 racing is less exciting now
"I think as a group, especially for the guys north of 100 grands prix, we've seen a different make-up of how grands prix are run these days," said Webber, when asked by AUTOSPORT about how satisfying the racing is this year.
"It's in our skill set to have to deal with some of these challenges, as we always have, whether its V10s, V8s, refuelling, one-lap qualifying; Q1, Q2, Q3.
"I've seen most of the scenarios we've had to play with, and it is important for a driver to deal with them.
"But you saw in Monaco I started to look after my first set of tyres when we got to Turn 3! And we could see Nico [Rosberg] doing that as well.
"It [the racing] is different. Monaco was quite an extreme case for that in terms of pace, as I think it around GP2 pace, and that's getting quite extreme you'd say.
"It is also very strategic from the pitwall, as in this is where the tyres are, this is what we're capable of doing, can you please get us there?"
Pirelli fulfilling their quota to:
Pirelli warns blocked tyre changes will mean four-stop races
Pirelli has urged Formula 1 fans not to over-react if there are more four-stop races this year, after being forced to give up on plans to make its tyres more conservative.
The Italian company had hoped to be able to tweak its tyres this year on the back of unease about the high number of pitstops required in some early races, as well as a desire to eradicate the delaminations that affected some drivers.
But with a number of outfits blocking any attempt to change the tyres, amid fears it could hurt their competitive form, Pirelli is now only tweaking the bonding process used to make its rubber.
Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery concedes that he would have preferred being able to make bigger changes to the tyres, but says fans should brace themselves for some races where there will be more stops than usual.
No he wanted to spend time with his family I think. So he went to V8 supercars.
I reckon behind closed doors a few high profile drivers here and there have threatened to leave F1 if this tyre format remains and that they will leave to WEC if it continues.
I think it's only a matter of time before WEC becomes the pinnacle of motorsport. To compare it to cricket, WEC will be like test matches, the one everyone wants to win, while F1 will be some joke format which people do for the money, like T20.
Sutil fighting for Force India to keep their tyre advantage 
Adrian Sutil: Force India F1 form shows Pirelli doing nothing wrong
Adrian Sutil says Force India's strength in looking after its tyres shows there is nothing wrong with the job that Pirelli is doing.
Pirelli came under pressure earlier this year to make its products more conservative on the back of a high number of pit stops at some events.
But Sutil thinks that the responsibility for excessive degradation has to be shouldered by teams instead, because his own Force India outfit has shown what it is possible to do.
In Canada, Paul di Resta completed 54 laps on the set of medium tyres that he started the race with.
Adrian Sutil: Force India F1 form shows Pirelli doing nothing wrong
Adrian Sutil says Force India's strength in looking after its tyres shows there is nothing wrong with the job that Pirelli is doing.
Pirelli came under pressure earlier this year to make its products more conservative on the back of a high number of pit stops at some events.
But Sutil thinks that the responsibility for excessive degradation has to be shouldered by teams instead, because his own Force India outfit has shown what it is possible to do.
In Canada, Paul di Resta completed 54 laps on the set of medium tyres that he started the race with.
So what Sutil is saying is that everybody should race slower? That'd be thrilling.
F1 is going to end up with everybody trying to go as slow as possible with a 2 lap sprint for the finish line, making sure you get a DRS advantage on the last lap.
F1 is going to end up with everybody trying to go as slow as possible with a 2 lap sprint for the finish line, making sure you get a DRS advantage on the last lap.
di Resta wasn't exactly going slowly on them tyres though. It's just teams like Red Bull and Mercedes have a car built for qualifying and that hurts them, I think i'm right in saying we've had less dry stops on average this year than last
If you had 22 cars trying to make a one-stopper work, nobody would be able to race for fear of wrecking the tyres, That's really my point.
Exactly. It's not the number of stops that's the problem, Monaco was just as boring and pathetic as Spain despite having three stops less.
Most plausible explanation I've heard so far for the RBR traction control conspiracy: http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=187286&view=findpost&p=6317999
I've experienced this in tractors and it happens quite frequently. I'm guessing it's just rare for it to coincide with a driver lighting up the rears like Webber did, but you see the McLarens porpoising quite a lot.
Oh wow look at Seb maintain a 3 second gap to the car in front of him and not bothering to attack.
All Pirelli did was replace pit stop strategy of the past with Pirelli gap strategy instead, both killing the art of overtaking.
All Pirelli did was replace pit stop strategy of the past with Pirelli gap strategy instead, both killing the art of overtaking.