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  1. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Now they have Brawn by the "tyres"

    New evidence against Mercedes: http://www.microsofttranslator.com/...test-affaere/neuer-beweis-gegen-mercedes.html

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    "The so-called "testing agreement 2013" controls in addition to the official rules of the procedure for the approval of special tyre testing in 2014. And it's signed by Mercedes team boss Ross Brawn! In the test agreement, the teams have again specified the existing test ban.

    This means: If all teams agree beforehand, the World Association may modify the rules. But neither Pirelli nor Mercedes have informed the other teams or the FIA. The "testing-agreement" is although not legally binding, but it is a so-called "gentlemen's agreement" dar. With his signature, Ross Brawn has confirmed that he will adhere to the approval process."


    So in short: They agreed to tyres being tested, but testing rules still to be followed. If changes to this rule are done they must be approved by all the teams + FIA. Only problem is that this was a gentlemens agreement and Ross just went off and stuck his fingers up to the rest behind their back eventhough signing this contract.

    Yup this is a classic scapegoat sarge.
     
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  2. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Brawn's going to have to pull a massive rabbit (aka loophole) out of the hat to survive this one.

    The likes of Lauda can't pretend they didn't know what was happening though. That would be utter bollocks.
     
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  3. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    It's not really new evidence, everyone knows the teams have a separate testing agreement. And the agreement's pretty trivial anyway since the FIA have banned testing.
     
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  4. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    Brawn has definitely took one for the team here. I've always thought Ross Brawn wasn't wanted there and by doing this it could seem like the easy way out for him, I wouldn't say his reputation has been massively hurt though.
     
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  5. u408379965

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22894591

    This is stupid really. The delaminations are clearly unsafe, Hamilton's failed so violently it ripped his suspension out and wrote off his gearbox, but Pirelli won't admit it because it's even more bad PR therefore the FIA won't allow them to change because they're deemed safe, even though everyone knows they're unsafe. Hopefully the new adhesive cures it.

    On another note, why were the FIA allowed to change the hard compound between Bahrain and Spain? <erm>
     
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  6. 51LV3R8RR04

    51LV3R8RR04 Well-Known Member

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    Odds on Hamilton leading the British GP with Vettel far behind in 2nd, then to see his tyre delaminate right at the end gifting Vettel the win?

    Oh Paul would have to leave so early...
     
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  7. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Pirelli bringing the hard and medium compounds to Silverstone. They've brought hard and soft to the last two grands prix and they've been 2 stop races (technically 2011 was a three stop race but that's because it was a wet start). Probably looking at a one stop race if it's dry.
     
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  8. TomTom94

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    Pirelli have abandoned their attempt to change the tyres in order to make them safer, after failing to secure the backing of all the teams.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22894591

    Wonderful. Once again, I feel the issue is not the supplier but the teams.
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Politics... it's all politics. Just gotta hope that we make it through the season without a catastrophic failure that result in somebody getting hurt.
     
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  10. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    lets be honest, if your competitors were struggling with the tyres and you weren't would you want to change them?
     
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  11. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    No... not at all. The priority should be preventing tyre failure though.
     
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  12. TomTom94

    TomTom94 Well-Known Member

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    This. Pirelli have said I believe that there's no change to the composition of the tyre besides what they think was causing those random delaminations.
     
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  13. SgtBhaji

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    If that's the case... then great. :)
     
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  14. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    yeah, Pirelli have said they've changed the adhesive so the delaminations should stop happening. Although I too would like to see a longer lasting tyre that can be raced, I can perfectly understand Lotus and FI refusing to agree to a change in the tyre composition other than the above mentioned adhesive.
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

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    Me too... but getting the teams to agree on that was never likely to happen. I'm pretty sure they couldn't agree on the color of a turd! Happy that they're addressing the de-lamination though.
     
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  16. BrightLampShade

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    Lotus criticise Pirelli over &#8216;very conservative&#8217; tyre choices - Warning contains Benson.

    Lotus have accused Pirelli of making overly conservative tyre choices for two of the next three races. Tyres have become a hugely contentious issue this season, with some teams lobbying Pirelli to use harder ones. Lotus's Alan Permane said the decision to take the medium and hard tyres to Hungary was "very conservative". But Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery said: "The tyres are more aggressive this year. They've all got the same - get on with it."
    Many of Lotus's rivals have run cars this season that are harder on their tyres, forcing them to pit for fresh rubber. Trackside operations director Permane also questioned the choice of the same tyres for the British Grand Prix at Silverstone, calling it "unusual". Permane told BBC Sport: "It absolutely doesn't make sense. They're too hard for that track."
     
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  17. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    The simple solution would be to allow the teams to choose their own compounds. No one can complain they've been hard done to then.
     
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  18. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
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    I like that idea, could be expensive but if teams had to request the tyres in advanced its little to no different to Pirelli bringing a load of the same tyres.
     
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  19. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    The 'best' solution would be to give all the teams an allocation of each tyre for the whole season and it's up to the teams to choose which 2 compounds to run at each track, the drivers getting into Q2 & Q3 get the tyres used in those 2 sessions refunded, that way no one can moan, it keeps the costs down and you'd get a much more exciting championship in the long run as some of the teams will hold back their best tyres and some will use them right away
     
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  20. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    I bet Pirelli are pissed off at being moaned at constantly... They can't win.
     
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