Assessment of Monk
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Thought just occurred to me when looking at the current PL table - GM is the highest placed English Manager, replacing Big Sam after we went above above West Ham today!
Said similar on the Match thread!.....................
yes their cheapest players
We won through against 2 strong Chelsea teams - Chelsea and Benitez "wanted" it!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20886408
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21038756
Yes Dai your right, none of the managers wanted it did they.
First up was Arsenal - which was not far off first team for them
Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Vermaelen, Gibbs, Wilshere, Ramsey, Cazorla, Coquelin, Podolski, Gervinho SUBS: Risicky, Oxlaid Chamberlain, Chamakh
First team premier league starts 2012/13 = 237 (+41 subs). Not bad for a total of 418 available positions in a season. The subs had 18 (+17) - so now up to 255/418 = 61% of Arsenals first teamers.
Next up was Aston Villa - which again, for them at the time was pretty much first team
Given, Clark, Bennett, Baker, Lowton, N'Zogbia, Delph, Bannan, Agbonlahor, Benteke, Weimann SUBS: Bent
246 (+34 subs). The subs had 8 (+8) = 254/418 = 61%
Then this season they played Chelsea, not first team for most of it, but they conceded 3 goals after their big hitters came on
Cech, Christensen, Zouma, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Ramires, Oscar, Mikel, Salah, Drogba, Remy SUBS: Fabregas, Willian, Hazard
83 + (48 subs), The subs had 67 (+16) = 150/286 = 52%
Finally we have Sunderland
Mannone, Jones, O'Shea, Brown, van Aanholt, Álvarez, Larsson, Bridcutt, Johnson, Graham, Fletcher SUBS: Vergini, Honeyman, Wickham
146 (+27 subs). The subs had 47 (+4) = 193/297 = 65%
That looks a pretty good team for Sunderland, don't you agree.
You don't half talk **** at times Dai.
First up was Arsenal - which was not far off first team for them
Szczesny, Sagna, Mertesacker, Vermaelen, Gibbs, Wilshere, Ramsey, Cazorla, Coquelin, Podolski, Gervinho SUBS: Risicky, Oxlaid Chamberlain, Chamakh
First team premier league starts 2012/13 = 237 (+41 subs). Not bad for a total of 418 available positions in a season. The subs had 18 (+17) - so now up to 255/418 = 61% of Arsenals first teamers.
Next up was Aston Villa - which again, for them at the time was pretty much first team
Given, Clark, Bennett, Baker, Lowton, N'Zogbia, Delph, Bannan, Agbonlahor, Benteke, Weimann SUBS: Bent
246 (+34 subs). The subs had 8 (+8) = 254/418 = 61%
Then this season they played Chelsea, not first team for most of it, but they conceded 3 goals after their big hitters came on
Cech, Christensen, Zouma, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Ramires, Oscar, Mikel, Salah, Drogba, Remy SUBS: Fabregas, Willian, Hazard
83 + (48 subs), The subs had 67 (+16) = 150/286 = 52%
Finally we have Sunderland
Mannone, Jones, O'Shea, Brown, van Aanholt, Álvarez, Larsson, Bridcutt, Johnson, Graham, Fletcher SUBS: Vergini, Honeyman, Wickham
146 (+27 subs). The subs had 47 (+4) = 193/297 = 65%
That looks a pretty good team for Sunderland, don't you agree.
You don't half talk **** at times Dai.
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So of a total 129 Premier League games, the total players that start games is 1,419
Of the players who took part in all 4 of those cup ties, there is a total of 852 premier league starts. Which means that 60% of the starting 11 of those 4 teams through their respective Premier League seasons, started
Funilly enough, that is the same percentage that Man City want Bony to play to deem us worthy of the £3m add-ons if they win the 3 trophies.
Would be interesting how many games those players listed spent injured during those seasons. Not to mention those who played in Europe too against the top teams.
Of the players who took part in all 4 of those cup ties, there is a total of 852 premier league starts. Which means that 60% of the starting 11 of those 4 teams through their respective Premier League seasons, started
Funilly enough, that is the same percentage that Man City want Bony to play to deem us worthy of the £3m add-ons if they win the 3 trophies.
Would be interesting how many games those players listed spent injured during those seasons. Not to mention those who played in Europe too against the top teams.
yes their cheapest players
Did you also know Dai that the players that played against us in the first leg were:
Turnbull, Ivanovic, Cole, Luiz, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Ramires, Mata, Oscar, Hazard, Torres Subs: Lampard, Ba, Marin
Between them they had 285 (+40 sub). The subs had 34 (+15) = total of 319/418 Premier League starts = 76%
Yes, their cheapest players indeed.
Turnbull (free), Ivanovic £9m (spec), Cole (free), Luiz £18.1m, Cahill £7m (spec), Azpilicueta £7m, Ramires £16m, Mata £23.5m, Oscar £19.5m, Hazard £32m, Torres £50m = £182m
Subs = Lampard £11m, Ba £7m, Marin £5.8m = £23.8m
So a total value of £205.8m
The second leg had:
Cech, Ivanovic, Cole, Cahill, Azpilicueta, Ramires, Lampard, Mata, Oscar, Hazard, Ba SUBS Torres, Bertrand, Luiz
Total first team appearances = 294 (+41 sub). The subs had 71 (+14) = 365/418 Premier League starts = 87%
Cech £7m, Ivanovic £9m (spec), Cole (free), Cahill £7m (spec), Azpilicueta £7m, Ramires £16m, Lampard £11m, Mata £23.5m, Oscar £19.5m, Hazard £32m, Ba £7m = £139m
Subs = Torres £50m, Bertrand (£2k maybe more), Luiz £18.1m = £68.3m
Total value of £207.3m
Not bad for a cheap team right Dai?
Chelsea's team in the Europa League final was:
Cech, Ivanovic, Cole, Luiz, Ramires, Lampard, Torres, Mata, Oscar, Cahill, Azpilicueta.
The team that won the Champions League the season before consisted of:
Cech, Luiz, Cahill, Cole, Lampard, Mata, Bertrand, Torres
Oh they all sound pretty damn familiar don't they Dai
Cech, Ivanovic, Cole, Luiz, Ramires, Lampard, Torres, Mata, Oscar, Cahill, Azpilicueta.
The team that won the Champions League the season before consisted of:
Cech, Luiz, Cahill, Cole, Lampard, Mata, Bertrand, Torres
Oh they all sound pretty damn familiar don't they Dai
A double over Burnley sees our excellent win ratio over teams in the bottom half of the table continue, but it was an awful game to watch. Poor quality football by both sides
Having beaten Fulham away last season (Burnley replaced them), we are still 10 points better off than the corresponding fixtures last season and now move on to 40 points, a feat we didn't achieve until the final fixture of last season.
Current Points Total = 40pts
Last Seasons Points Total = 42pts
We are currently on schedule for = 52pts
Current League Position - 8th
Previous Premier League Positions - 11th, 9th, 12th.
Man Utd 1-2 Swansea (+3)
Swansea 1-0 Burnley (Same) *
Swansea 3-0 West Brom (+3)
Chelsea 4-2 Swansea (Same)
Swansea 0-1 Southampton (Same)
Sunderland 0-0 Swansea (-2)
Swansea 2-2 Newcastle (-2)
Stoke 2-1 Swansea (-1)
Swansea 2-0 Leicester (Same)**
Everton 0-0 Swansea (+1)
Swansea 2 Arsenal 1 (+3)
Man City 2 Swansea 1 (Same)
Swansea 1 Crystal Palace 1 (Same)
Swansea 2 QPR 0 (Same)***
West Ham 3 Swansea 1 (Same)
Swansea 1 Spurs 2 (Same)
Hull City 0 Swansea 1 (+3)
Swansea 1 Aston Villa 0 (Same)
Liverpool 4 Swansea 1 (Same)
QPR 1 Swansea 1 (+1)
Swansea 1 West Ham 1 (Same)
Swansea 0 Chelsea 5 (Same)
Southampton 0 Swansea 1 (+3)
Swansea 1 Sunderland 1 (-2)
West Brom 2 Swansea 0 (-3)
Swansea 2 Man U 1 (+3)
Burnley 0 Swansea 1 (Same) *
*Replaced Fulham
** Replaced Norwich
*** Replaced Cardiff
Remaining Fixtures (with last seasons points in brackets)
March 4th - Spurs (A) (0)
March 16th - Liverpool (H) (1)
March 21st - Aston Villa (A) (1)
April 4th - Hull City (H) (1)
April 11th - Everton (H) (0)
April 18th - Leicester City (A) (1)
April 25th - Newcastle United (A) (3)
May 2nd - Stoke City (H) (3)
May 9th - Arsenal (A) (1)
May 16th - Manchester City (H) (0)
May 24th - Crystal Palace (A) (3)
Having beaten Fulham away last season (Burnley replaced them), we are still 10 points better off than the corresponding fixtures last season and now move on to 40 points, a feat we didn't achieve until the final fixture of last season.
Current Points Total = 40pts
Last Seasons Points Total = 42pts
We are currently on schedule for = 52pts
Current League Position - 8th
Previous Premier League Positions - 11th, 9th, 12th.
Man Utd 1-2 Swansea (+3)
Swansea 1-0 Burnley (Same) *
Swansea 3-0 West Brom (+3)
Chelsea 4-2 Swansea (Same)
Swansea 0-1 Southampton (Same)
Sunderland 0-0 Swansea (-2)
Swansea 2-2 Newcastle (-2)
Stoke 2-1 Swansea (-1)
Swansea 2-0 Leicester (Same)**
Everton 0-0 Swansea (+1)
Swansea 2 Arsenal 1 (+3)
Man City 2 Swansea 1 (Same)
Swansea 1 Crystal Palace 1 (Same)
Swansea 2 QPR 0 (Same)***
West Ham 3 Swansea 1 (Same)
Swansea 1 Spurs 2 (Same)
Hull City 0 Swansea 1 (+3)
Swansea 1 Aston Villa 0 (Same)
Liverpool 4 Swansea 1 (Same)
QPR 1 Swansea 1 (+1)
Swansea 1 West Ham 1 (Same)
Swansea 0 Chelsea 5 (Same)
Southampton 0 Swansea 1 (+3)
Swansea 1 Sunderland 1 (-2)
West Brom 2 Swansea 0 (-3)
Swansea 2 Man U 1 (+3)
Burnley 0 Swansea 1 (Same) *
*Replaced Fulham
** Replaced Norwich
*** Replaced Cardiff
Remaining Fixtures (with last seasons points in brackets)
March 4th - Spurs (A) (0)
March 16th - Liverpool (H) (1)
March 21st - Aston Villa (A) (1)
April 4th - Hull City (H) (1)
April 11th - Everton (H) (0)
April 18th - Leicester City (A) (1)
April 25th - Newcastle United (A) (3)
May 2nd - Stoke City (H) (3)
May 9th - Arsenal (A) (1)
May 16th - Manchester City (H) (0)
May 24th - Crystal Palace (A) (3)
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considering that we are not a selling club it seems the heart has left the team over the last year or so. Its been obvious to a few of us that we needed serious strengthening at the back for ages (a lot better now ! )and the wingers have not been able to cross a ball ( bit better now but not much ? )and maybe some players are getting a bit old for the pace up here,( some gone some could do better ? ) plus a lot of bottling out and dropped heads have appeared from nowhere, ( hope not to see that again ! )strength in depth seems like a dirty word to those in charge. And dont they see or care about what the fans see as obvious cause they dont seem to be doing anything to sort it either on the training ground or in the boardroom ? ( hmmmmm )
We may well have seen the best that we will get at this level but i hope not i feel some major surgery is needed sharpish before the blip becomes a rut !( got some tidy new boys in but blowing hot n cold to much )
Or it could just be that weve been spoilt rotten in recent years and expect better all the time ? i dont, just as long as we see a fighting committed effort from the team it will be easier to take the poor displays of late, i think the top half teams have been poor in general up till xmas and were lucky to be top half at the mo, and dont have a god given right to be top 10 but should have the heart to want it , survival is still priority as its always been up here cause the team could drop like a stone easily if not sorted out pronto. ( still the same ? )
20/09/2015 now and not much of ^^^^^^^^^^ above has changed ?
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swantastic, Jan 24, 2015
We may well have seen the best that we will get at this level but i hope not i feel some major surgery is needed sharpish before the blip becomes a rut !( got some tidy new boys in but blowing hot n cold to much )
Or it could just be that weve been spoilt rotten in recent years and expect better all the time ? i dont, just as long as we see a fighting committed effort from the team it will be easier to take the poor displays of late, i think the top half teams have been poor in general up till xmas and were lucky to be top half at the mo, and dont have a god given right to be top 10 but should have the heart to want it , survival is still priority as its always been up here cause the team could drop like a stone easily if not sorted out pronto. ( still the same ? )
20/09/2015 now and not much of ^^^^^^^^^^ above has changed ?
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swantastic, Jan 24, 2015
Survival is the main priority and anything else is a bonus.....We are doing enough to survive quite comfortable so far......
Tbh Dai, I think we've gone passed the realms of 'just surviving'.
I hope so Valley but its always a relief to get past the 40 points mark still.
Not after just 5 games valley. Anyone with a bad few games can go from the top half to the bottom in an instant. Its all about survival and will be till at least 3/4 of the way through the season and if we are in touching distance with a European place then then we can talk about trying to qualify, But for a very long time all we should be concentrating on is survival and nothing else. With cup games i always believe we should field our strongest team to give us the best chance of winning....
I think any team not aiming for the Top 6 or 7 see survival as the first priority and then take it from there for the remainder of the season.
We have 9 points from 6 games = 1.5 points per game. Over the whole season that's 57 points.
I know extrapolation is a pointless and dangerous technique
I know extrapolation is a pointless and dangerous technique