Ask Princess - September 2012
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As we're getting into the swing of yearling sales season, I thought I'd compile some links to the different threads so that they are all in one place:
Arqana (France) 18-21 August
Doncaster 29-30 August
Keeneland (USA) 10-21 September
Goffs Orby 3-4 October
Tattersalls October Book One 9-11 October
Also, Sea the Stars first crop update thread
Arqana (France) 18-21 August
Doncaster 29-30 August
Keeneland (USA) 10-21 September
Goffs Orby 3-4 October
Tattersalls October Book One 9-11 October
Also, Sea the Stars first crop update thread
Princess, in the Horse Racing Forum Index there is an index to horse sales/stallion parades but it isn't up to date. Sorry about that. If you would be good enough to maintain an index I'll change the Forum index to refer to your index.
Princess, after a few beers down my local today we go talking about Frankel, as you do, and one of the questions was how many times would cover in his first year... Now you dont have to be accuarte down to the precise number but there is a few beers on this as to has predicted the closest... If its a answer that you cant give a definte answer on them its getting pinned up on the board until maybe next year to see who was right... Cant give out any of the guesses but one lad has said it wont be any lower than 1,000...
Looks like Frankel would be a busy lad if he had his way...
Thanks in advance...
Looks like Frankel would be a busy lad if he had his way...Thanks in advance...
Red gulch if he is only doing a European covering he will cover anything between 80-120 .
Princess am I right in saying it will be next year before we see rvw sell or will they be 2yo racing next year ?
Princess am I right in saying it will be next year before we see rvw sell or will they be 2yo racing next year ?
PN
I was interested that you could give the 2012 produce of a mare from the Royal Stud. Have you got their statistics already?
I was interested that you could give the 2012 produce of a mare from the Royal Stud. Have you got their statistics already?
Bustino, give me the mare's name and I'll see what I can find out.
Red - are you talking the physical act of covering, or the number of mares? Mare wise Juddmonte are very restrictive. None of their stallions cover more than 150 per year, plus a max of 20 or so to southern hemisphere time (Juddmonte do not shuttle their stallions). Compare this to the Coolmore stallions who routinely cover 200+.
The act of covering itself depends on the stallion's fertility. On average a stallion will need around 1.5 coverings per mare (some will get in foal on the first attempt, others will need several tries), so a stallion covering 100 mares could expect to physically cover around 150 times.
Definitely nowhere near 1000! It just ain't physically possible in the 5 month long breeding season.
Mick - Rip Van Winkle's first crop are foals this year, so we might see a small number selling at the end of the year, but most well sell next year as yearlings. Therefore it will be 2014 before we see his 2yos on the track.
Red - are you talking the physical act of covering, or the number of mares? Mare wise Juddmonte are very restrictive. None of their stallions cover more than 150 per year, plus a max of 20 or so to southern hemisphere time (Juddmonte do not shuttle their stallions). Compare this to the Coolmore stallions who routinely cover 200+.
The act of covering itself depends on the stallion's fertility. On average a stallion will need around 1.5 coverings per mare (some will get in foal on the first attempt, others will need several tries), so a stallion covering 100 mares could expect to physically cover around 150 times.
Definitely nowhere near 1000! It just ain't physically possible in the 5 month long breeding season.
Mick - Rip Van Winkle's first crop are foals this year, so we might see a small number selling at the end of the year, but most well sell next year as yearlings. Therefore it will be 2014 before we see his 2yos on the track.
pN
Just 4 as I thought that nice Mr Grimwade had sent you a stud card................
Fairy Godmother
Phantom Gold
Golden Stream
Fictitious
Cheers
Just 4 as I thought that nice Mr Grimwade had sent you a stud card................
Fairy Godmother
Phantom Gold
Golden Stream
Fictitious
Cheers
GGW, it was ZAFONIC. He broke his neck when trying to jump out of his paddock in Australia. Juddmonte have not shuttled any of their stallions since.
His demise, however, was the making of his brother ZAMINDAR. On Zafonic's death, Zamindar was brought back to the UK from his place at stud in Florida where he has gone on to prove himself to be a sire of some great fillies including ZARKAVA, DARJINA, TIMEPIECE, etc. I've often said, if I had the money, he is the stallion I would use as I think he is underpriced at £10,000. The only reason for his low fee is because he has not managed to sire a top class colt, but his daughters have, to me, more than made up for that fact.
Bustino, I will look into those for you.
His demise, however, was the making of his brother ZAMINDAR. On Zafonic's death, Zamindar was brought back to the UK from his place at stud in Florida where he has gone on to prove himself to be a sire of some great fillies including ZARKAVA, DARJINA, TIMEPIECE, etc. I've often said, if I had the money, he is the stallion I would use as I think he is underpriced at £10,000. The only reason for his low fee is because he has not managed to sire a top class colt, but his daughters have, to me, more than made up for that fact.
Bustino, I will look into those for you.
Fairy Godmother - colt by Dubawi
Phantom Gold - can't find a progeny record but she was covered by FASTNET ROCK in 2011, so I presume she was barren/slipped
Golden Stream - filly by Dansili
Fictitious - colt by Galileo
This is a really useful website for checking the produce of mares. It is actually a site to check whether or not a horse has been registered with Breeders' Cup, but it links in to the major European and US stud books so is a font of great information. You have to be precise with the information you put in - the year of foaling and you have to spell the mare's name correctly and in full.
If the site tells you it can't find a foal out of the mare you are looking for, odds are she did not have one that year.
Phantom Gold - can't find a progeny record but she was covered by FASTNET ROCK in 2011, so I presume she was barren/slipped
Golden Stream - filly by Dansili
Fictitious - colt by Galileo
This is a really useful website for checking the produce of mares. It is actually a site to check whether or not a horse has been registered with Breeders' Cup, but it links in to the major European and US stud books so is a font of great information. You have to be precise with the information you put in - the year of foaling and you have to spell the mare's name correctly and in full.
If the site tells you it can't find a foal out of the mare you are looking for, odds are she did not have one that year.
One of the most disappointing new sire over the last 3 years has to be authorized he has been really poor !
Hi PN. I was reading a debate about drug testing in Europe vs the US, and someone commented that they thought the latter had more precise tests, e.g. more sensitive at detecting banned substances. What are your thoughts on that? I always thought we had stricter controls with smaller amounts of a drug permitted before it was classed as doping compared to the US. Thanks.
Random, the medication issue is a complex one that I still struggle to get my head round. I've also heard US racing people claim that their thresholds are much lower than in Europe, but I've not seen any evidence to back it up. For me a major sticking point is that the penalties for positive tests are so pitiful in the US. You rarely see a trainer get more than 90 days and a paltry fine, and some trainers are blatant about it.
This year's Kentucky Derby winning trainer Doug O'Neill has been caught out 17 times since 1997!
Mick, in short - no! Triple crown win or not, Camelot still has much to do before his value reaches the level of Frankel. He has yet to take on his elders, and he needs to beat some decent horses. To date he has only actually beaten 2 G1 winners!
This year's Kentucky Derby winning trainer Doug O'Neill has been caught out 17 times since 1997!
Mick, in short - no! Triple crown win or not, Camelot still has much to do before his value reaches the level of Frankel. He has yet to take on his elders, and he needs to beat some decent horses. To date he has only actually beaten 2 G1 winners!