Nonsense, if he wins the league he has done no such thing ! To you maybe, but not to me. If he wins it having had competition then he gets kudos from me, this fassy football we are playing gets no respect whatsoever, league title won by default.
Arteta - The Process
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Not having it HH.
I have noticed the very same people, who for years have wanted Arteta sacked and would accept ZERO context for coming 2nd to City, are now placing all sorts of context and caveats on a potential league title.
It's BS and hypocrisy.
Instead of just enjoying a league title - if we do it - these fans are going to perform mental gymnastics to try and position themselves as not being horribly wrong about Arteta. Saving face seems more important to them than Arsenal winning.
There are no excuses and no come backs if we win the league - Arteta takes the win, the champagne bottle and the flowers.
Fans make emotional reactions to the game - but let's be clear , they know **** all about managing a PL team or competing at that level. None of us do.
I have seen so much crap written over the years by people pretending to be experts when they know nothing except the emotions of a fan.
Enjoy the emotions, express those emotions - all good, but that is all it is.
Most of all, when you are wrong simple admit it or say nothing. The mental gymnastics and goal post moving to try and save face is crazy.
We are on the verge of winning the title for the first time in 22 years and in the final of the CL!
That is all that matters and you should enjoy it because there are no guarantees that we will be in the same position for another 22 years.
Don't get me wrong - I have no belief even now that we are winning the league or the CL - but will sure as hell not be focused on why we won it or even remotely interested in our short comings if we do. I will be too busy celebrating.
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Jay, we only need to see how/what other managers do to be able to "compare", we don't need to know the inner dealings and workings. Thats how you can compare one manager to another, thats why you can compare one player to another, what can this player do that the other player cannot do and vice versa, we don't need to be experts.
My point is very relevant, look at Spurs, won a major European trophy, didn't take heed of their league form and are now heading for relegation. Just because you win something major it doesn't mean you ignore everything else. Look at Slot, won the league but they were ****, everyone ignored it, the victory masked their mediocrity. That mediocrity has been shown up this season and there is strong talk of Slot being sacked.
More proof that, winning a major trophy won't or should not excuse poor decision making. This is nothing to do with adding caveats and its also nothing to do with saving face. I don't rate Arteta at all, winning this Prem title if he does won't change that because we have been utterly ****. Winning the CL however WILL change my mindset, I have been consistent throughout.
My point is very relevant, look at Spurs, won a major European trophy, didn't take heed of their league form and are now heading for relegation. Just because you win something major it doesn't mean you ignore everything else. Look at Slot, won the league but they were ****, everyone ignored it, the victory masked their mediocrity. That mediocrity has been shown up this season and there is strong talk of Slot being sacked.
More proof that, winning a major trophy won't or should not excuse poor decision making. This is nothing to do with adding caveats and its also nothing to do with saving face. I don't rate Arteta at all, winning this Prem title if he does won't change that because we have been utterly ****. Winning the CL however WILL change my mindset, I have been consistent throughout.
Right but surely this is the best argument FOR Arteta. (in fact its literally what I've been saying)
84pts, 89 points, 82 points.. These are all point totals that could have won you a league in the past.
Finishing a close 2nd behind a guy who is arguably considered the managerial goat - (with unlimited transfer funds).
Arteta has already shown he's elite - If you use your brain rather than fixating on the negatives you would see that.
I agree.
It’s the build, getting closer and closer and finally doing it (if we do).
This is not a flash in the pan.
In fact, under a fair league with no financial cheating Arteta would already have 2 titles, going for his 3rd in 4 years.
Along the way we’ve broken our goal scoring record twice and assembled the best defence in world football.
Yes. There have been mistakes.
Pep has made mistakes too - like changing style to accommodate and focus on Haaland.
All managers make mistakes.
Arteta moves to elite level if he wins the league and moves to all time great if he also wins the CL.
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Haven't seen you post here before - welcome to the forum!
Arteta did one thing to start that I hated. He failed to immediately get rid of the shower of **** we had. Losers almost to a man in that squad.
He made the rookie error of giving those ****s another chance.
By December of the 20/21 season Arteta realised just how **** those players were and by March 2021 I was fully behind him as he'd started changing things. Dec 20 was a key month where he played the youngsters and beat Chelsea.
Dumping that absolute scum and stain on Arsenal, Aubameyang, cemented my support for Arteta and I have enjoyed the progress ever since.
Aubameyang was ****e and a cancer in the club by the time he was booted out of the club - rightly so.
Over the time he was here - even when he was scoring goals - we won more points and scored more goals when he was not in the team.
When we binned him we started to score more.
He had a good season and a half with us and then two excellent performances in the cup semi final and final. That's it.
He was never good enough to elevate the club beyond any other half decent striker.
His goal scoring record is actually pretty average over his career at Arsenal - far from elite.
He scored 81 non penalty goals in 12,868 minutes of football. Thats one every 159 minutes.
For perspective thats around the same as Giroud.
He did score 11 penalties, but for the life of me I never understood why he took them - he was **** at them... scoring less than 70% of the ones he took including missing one in the last minute vs Spurs that would have won us the game.
One of my favourite moments of Arteta is when he dumped that waster out of Arsenal football club because I knew at that moment we'd be back at the top fighting for titles.
By contrast Arteta's darkest day was giving that twat a new contract.
Aubameyangs legacy at Arsenal is one of leading the biggest shower of ****s we've ever seen as a squad.
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Nonsense ! You are fixated on stats, the stats tell half the picture. It doesn't matter what would've won league titles 20-30 years ago, talk about now. The quality this season has been awful throughout the league. You have harped on about the **** teams being better than before and not the top teams being **** as a response - explain then how Odegaard - as **** as he has been this season - is 4th in the league for Chances Created per 90'.
Explain how that's possible if the top teams haven't been utterly **** this season. And yet again, its a stat that suggests a particular narrative when the overall narrative is totally counter to it - Odegaard has been ****.
Arteta when compared to his peers is awful, he doesn't rotate, he makes stupid decisions, he doesn't play attacking football, he is a coward, he uses **** tactics, he plays players that have no place starting certain games, in the easiest league season of them all we are stumbling over the line!
Has he though? 6 years and close to £1bn spent from a starting position of borderline 4th place?? Not sure he has done any average manager couldn't have done, given time, given money.
Compared to his peers he's awful?
I am sure his peers would all love to be in our position.
Honestly you need to get off the Arteta hatred Hothead.
Sure, he has his flaws, but he has us top of the league (having challenged strongly in 2 of the last 3 years), got us to a CKL semi final last year and a final this year.
Absolute rubbish Jay ! And 5 years later we still don't have a CF as good as Auba ! Auba won Arteta his only trophy, people forget. Arteta is a fassy who tried to play Billy Big Bollocks with Auba for no reason, people skills are surely a key part of "managing" people, Arteta has proved he can only deal with nobodies and greenhorns !
Everything I said was fact
Not a great goal scoring record - pretty average in fact.
We broke goal scoring records without him and with him we were a hopeless team that couldn't even make top 4.
An absolute failure of a player.
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I asked a load of my mates on a group chat if they would take Arteta as manager, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man U, Spurs and West Ham fans are in the group. Only the West Ham fan said he would - and he is a bit weird anyway lol!
Thats ridiculous and simply fan bias.
I will say again - we are in a CL final and top of the league with 2 games to go.
From the BBC website:
But but but ......
Since he was appointed only 4 clubs in the league have a lower net spend than him.
BBC Article in full
But but but ......
Since he was appointed only 4 clubs in the league have a lower net spend than him.
1) Net spend in a nonsensical waste of time.
2) its not true
3) This is a narrative which the loser Emery is pushing too - he pretended Villa should have been relegated , which proves what a fraud he is.
the facts are not changing HH!
We are 5th in player spend and one game from the title.
5th to 1st is orders of magnitude more difficult than 9th to 4th
Arteta could well succeed where Emery failed miserably.
One thing we know is that Emery will never win the PL or the CL.
