Arteta - The Process

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For anyone questioning or mocking what Josh Kroenke and Arteta called the 'process' around 5 years ago, look at this chart.

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Obviously right now the 25/26 season is far from over and it's possible we end up second again, but the so called process is clear.
Forget the noise - could have, should have scenarios or criticisms of style of play in some seasons, the journey is a clear one and one that we should be very happy about. I well remember the 19/20 squad and spineless attitude prior to Arteta joining. Culture was discussed a lot and I also remember saying it would take years to truly shed it.

Listen to Josh Kroneke back in the 21/22 season.

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Everything that Josh Kroenke and Arteta were saying as this era began to get going is coming true.
 
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I get what you are saying, but spineless attitude?? The same spineless attitude that won Arteta his only trophy thus far !!!!

Wasn't a spineless attitude, we were one point away from CL football that season, that squad could never have won the Prem.
 
I get what you are saying, but spineless attitude?? The same spineless attitude that won Arteta his only trophy thus far !!!!

Wasn't a spineless attitude, we were one point away from CL football that season, that squad could never have won the Prem.
Yes, spineless.
The cup win was the season before where Arteta came in and changed nothing apart from going ultra defensive with 5 at the back.
He actually tried to change things up in his first full season 20/21 and it was horrible. The players were miserable. We had our captain turning up late for training on several occasions, more interested in chatting **** with AFTV, posing on his Lambo and bringing ****ing panther masks to games so he could put it on for social media clicks, we had mistakes galore all over the pitch. Guendouzi acting like a prat. They were a shambles of a group.
Don't you remember Bellerin making shocking errors almost every game? Willian on a paid holiday? Pepe doing zero to help the team defensively when out of possession? I could go on.
They were a **** squad, not because they didn't have the ability to do better, but because they coasted and were basically frauds on huge wages.

We were not a point away from the CL - that was in 21/22 AFTER we had started changing the squad.
We were 8th - having risen from 11th and not far from the relegation places after 18 games - in 19/20 and 8th in 20/21.

Of all the teams we have had over the years, I never felt things were so utterly hopeless as I did with that team/squad.
We all knew we were not winning anything or getting top 4 with that shower of ****.

The transformation from that to now, IMO, is the biggest top to bottom change/improvement we have ever seen at Arsenal.
Even when Wenger came in, we retained all the defensive stalwarts and built upon it.
The only option we had in 2020 was to take a flamethrower to the entire sqaud - apart from some of the younger players that had not yet been fully tainted by the unprofessional stench of some of the dirtbags like Aubameyang, Guendouzi, Bellerin et al.
 
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Good post yeah I agree.

In terms of attitude pre-Arteta we had almost gotten used to losing to the best sides.

For me the most frustrating times were the later years under Wenger when we would be bullied by the Chelseas of the World because Wenger was obsessed with small technical defenders. Koscielney, Mustafi, Squillaci, Silvestre, Gibbs etc.. With a a lightweight midfield in front of them.
Sure we had some good attacking talent but getting routinely spanked by the best sides in Europe was horrendous. (until we where finally out of the UCL places altogether)

Arteta has assembled a team thats always competitive and that should be applauded.
 
It's not looking good in terms of the final step now.
Great job in getting us here, but he's showing again he cant take us over the line.
There is nowhere to turn now and no objective Arsenal fan thinks we are winning anything this year.
 
Games left - which is the final chapter in the current era and process.

Arsenal :

Man City away - LOSS
Newcastle home - DRAW
Fulham home - WIN
West Ham away - LOSS
Burnley home - WIN
Crystal Palace away - DRAW

we end with 78 pts.

Man City

Arsenal home - WIN
Burnley away - WIN
Everton away - WIN
Brentford home - WIN
Bournemouth away - WIN
Crystal Palace home - WIN
Aston Villa home - DRAW (title already won)

they end with 83 pts.
 
The process sucks bro!

You can harp on as much as you want about making us competitive and, being spineless and losing mentalities, tell me whats different now??? The guy has still won nothing.

Spent near £1bn to win nothing and playing football as bad as anything I remember since the bad period under George Graham. May as well have kept Wenger.
 
The process sucks bro!

You can harp on as much as you want about making us competitive and, being spineless and losing mentalities, tell me whats different now??? The guy has still won nothing.

Spent near £1bn to win nothing and playing football as bad as anything I remember since the bad period under George Graham. May as well have kept Wenger.

Not with you at all on the £1bn. Again - if money is the measure, then we are massively over performing.
By that criteria Arteta definitely deserves a new contract.

However, if you ignore that - and you should - the REAL issue is that we have got ourselves into winning positions for the title 3 of the last 4 years and failed when it mattered every time. It's the mentality and focus that is lacking and that is where we clearly need a manager who has been there and done it before.
 
How can you ignore how much money the man has spent? I don't care if its much less than anyone, £1bn is £1bn and we are bloody awful !

He has bookended his performances, first season was the worst football I have seen from any Arsenal team and this season the worst football I have seen from any Arsenal team.

What are we doing here???
 
How can you ignore how much money the man has spent? I don't care if its much less than anyone, £1bn is £1bn and we are bloody awful !

He has bookended his performances, first season was the worst football I have seen from any Arsenal team and this season the worst football I have seen from any Arsenal team.

What are we doing here???
Because it's less than others.
Money is a stupid argument unless one team is spending so much more than others with an unfair advantage - like Chelsea and City did.

The issue here is not that we spent a lot of money and haven't won the league, it's that we've let winning positions slip time and again. Whilst Arteta has brought us to the brink of winning a title, this year has proven he is unable to handle the pressure at the business end of competitions. His decision making on selections and his lack of adaptability is being brought to the fore.

As soon as the team sheet was announced vs Bournemouth, I was worried about that midfield. It was not complicated, it was obvious. It's poor management. Certain players have been persisted with regardless of how they have performed. A sign of a lack of control of the dressing room and indecisiveness.

It's been months now where it's obvious that Zubimendi should have been dropped - but he's still there.

Up front Gyokeres is simply not working in the PL - either drop him or change the tactics. Doing neither is yet another sign that the manager is trying to crawl over the line and is unwilling to adapt.

Playing MLS at FB just to shoehorn him into the team in case he leaves from non playing time is weak management.
He's a midfielder and literally everyone who follows football knows it.

Playing Kepa in the cup final was formulaic. No understanding of the gravity of that match. Not just the trophy, but the impact of losing to City.

The thing that really highlights the lack of adaptability is the response to City's tactics in the cup final. OK, it might have surprised us, but Bournemouth did the same and we clearly had not planned for other teams copying City's approach. That is unforgivable. To have that basic tactic work again is dreadful.

There are more instances of players not playing in their proper positions - not just the likes of MLS and Havertz. We've had Madueke on the left wing and Eze on the wing too this season. Madness.
The biggest one though - Martinelli - he is a 9 all day long and absolutely perfect to break the high press being used to stifle us. Literally ALL his big important moments for us come from his runs through the middle and it's been that way since he was 17. That he has not been given a run through the middle is a disgraceful piece of management.

Finally, I am concerned with our training. We're seeing gimmicks, yet when it comes to basics.. like shooting and striking the ball cleanly, our players are appalling. Scuffed and skied shots galore - are we even focusing on it????
It's the same with other basics. I wonder how many fans have actually noticed how bad we are in duels and winning second balls? We can't hold the ball under pressure and we can't win it. When the ball broke free on Saturday . I swear Bournemouth won 100% of every loose ball! It was infuriating.

These are all basics - shooting, shielding, duels. In all those areas, the way we are executing and competing right now is the worst I have ever seen at Arsenal.

We're still in a position where even if/when City beat us and then beat Burnley on the 22nd, we're on the same points and both teams have 5 games to go. BUT, I doubt there is a single fan who truly believes that over those 5 games we're coming out on top given the lack of the basics in our play.

In terms of Arteta overall - if Zubimendi starts on Wednesday or Havertz starts in midfield I will be officially Arteta Out as of the moment the team sheet is announced. Not at the end of the season for him to be gone, but right away.
 
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If at this point Arteta has not learned his bloody lesson, I don't see how he will change it for the next few games.

This season should've been an absolute breeze for us given how everyone else has played and given the quality in our squad. I cant believe we are at the point where, actually, its highly likely that we not only won't win the league but won't win a single trophy! Its a ****ing disgrace, Arteta is a disgrace.
 
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Pretty hard to see a route forward for the manager and a lot of the players at the end of the season if it ends up as it looks like it will.

Manager would be gone IMO.

Which players (that we would like to stay) do we all think would leave. Personally think Saka and Saliba would be two who would leave, but probably Rice and Dowman also.
 
Trust the process !!

This is the same process that yielded a top scorer in the league last season of a whopping 9 goals !!! Not since the 1923/24 season, an entire 101 years, did an Arsenal player fail to score 10 or more league goals.

Some people have alleged that Gyokeres is the problem this season, well Gyokeres wasnt here last season and neither was Eze and Zubimendi Madueke!!!

Our ****ness started long before this season!
 
Trust the process !!

This is the same process that yielded a top scorer in the league last season of a whopping 9 goals !!! Not since the 1923/24 season, an entire 101 years, did an Arsenal player fail to score 10 or more league goals.

Some people have alleged that Gyokeres is the problem this season, well Gyokeres wasnt here last season and neither was Eze and Zubimendi Madueke!!!

Our ****ness started long before this season!

Can never understand why anyone worries about how many goals the top scorer has.
Only the number of goals the team has is important.

PL goals

20/21 - 55 goals scored (horrendous)
21/22 - 61 goals scored (horrendous)
22/23 - 88 goals (club record) - 'we need a striker' becomes the main talking point
23/24 - 91 goals (club record) - 'we need a striker' reaching noise levels that only 'Saka needs a rest' rivals.
24/25 - 69 goals (not good) - injury ravaged season obvious issue but the panacea of 'we need a striker' reaches it's crescendo.
25/26 - 62 goals with 5 games left (not good) - we get the striker. He fails to deliver any noticeable inprovements over an injury ravaged season the year before, but it's everyone else's fault.

Meanwhile , we scored 88 and 91 goals with constant noise about how we need a striker.
Now? Don't hear it anymore.. apparently Gyokeres is the man.. if only everyone else would shape up.
Classic social media football punditry

Gyokeres has failed to deliver this season.
Up to him to salvage it by coming alive in the last 6 games.
He can still show his worth, but right now? Waste of money - and looks championship level.
The guy is 1 goal behind and 8 assists behind Havertz PL 23/24 season where he only played half a season as a striker!
 
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Jay you only need to look at the last 2 seasons to see a lack of a proven goal scorer getting good service has been an issue.
 
Can never understand why anyone worries about how many goals the top scorer has.
Only the number of goals the team has is important.

PL goals

20/21 - 55 goals scored (horrendous)
21/22 - 61 goals scored (horrendous)
22/23 - 88 goals (club record) - 'we need a striker' becomes the main talking point
23/24 - 91 goals (club record) - 'we need a striker' reaching noise levels that only 'Saka needs a rest' rivals.
24/25 - 69 goals (not good) - injury ravaged season obvious issue but the panacea of 'we need a striker' reaches it's crescendo.
25/26 - 62 goals with 5 games left (not good) - we get the striker. He fails to deliver any noticeable inprovements over an injury ravaged season the year before, but it's everyone else's fault.

Meanwhile , we scored 88 and 91 goals with constant noise about how we need a striker.
Now? Don't hear it anymore.. apparently Gyokeres is the man.. if only everyone else would shape up.
Classic social media football punditry

Gyokeres has failed to deliver this season.
Up to him to salvage it by coming alive in the last 6 games.
He can still show his worth, but right now? Waste of money - and looks championship level.
Well to be fair he's in double figures which we've once in the last four years from a striker.

Player — 22/23 - 23/24 - 24/25 - 25/26
Gyokeres — n/a - n/a - n/a - 12
Havertz — n/a - 13 - 9 - 0
Odegaard — 15 - 8 - 3 - 1
Martinelli — 15 - 6 - 8 - 1
Saka — 14 - 16 - 6 - 6
Jesus — 11 - 4 - 3 - 2
Trossard — n/a - 12 - 8 - 5

55 prem goals from Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard and Jesus three years ago. Then 59 prem goals from those four plus Havertz and Trossard two years ago.

Even last year that six got 37 prem goals.

Now fast forward to this season those same six have given us only 15 prem goals. Gyokeres being not great doesn’t explain why six otherwise good attackers have cut their output down to a quarter compared to 23/24.

They’ve all been gash. To single out Gyokeres isn’t fair. He’s been gash yes, but then so have all the rest.
 
Well to be fair he's in double figures which we've once in the last four years from a striker.

Player — 22/23 - 23/24 - 24/25 - 25/26
Gyokeres — n/a - n/a - n/a - 12
Havertz — n/a - 13 - 9 - 0
Odegaard — 15 - 8 - 3 - 1
Martinelli — 15 - 6 - 8 - 1
Saka — 14 - 16 - 6 - 6
Jesus — 11 - 4 - 3 - 2
Trossard — n/a - 12 - 8 - 5

55 prem goals from Saka, Martinelli, Odegaard and Jesus three years ago. Then 59 prem goals from those four plus Havertz and Trossard two years ago.

Even last year that six got 37 prem goals.

Now fast forward to this season those same six have given us only 15 prem goals. Gyokeres being not great doesn’t explain why six otherwise good attackers have cut their output down to a quarter compared to 23/24.

They’ve all been gash. To single out Gyokeres isn’t fair. He’s been gash yes, but then so have all the rest.
Havertz and Odegaard have not played much.
Havertz is the biggest miss. His 2024 calendar year, starting when he moved to CF in his first season was world class. Probably the best player in the league at the time.
His injury was a disaster.
We need him back in that form.
 
Jay you only need to look at the last 2 seasons to see a lack of a proven goal scorer getting good service has been an issue.
The issue last year was injuries.
The previous years we were scoring record goals.
We never needed a striker, but for injury. We should have gone for a totally different kind of striker to Gyokeres.
The entire team has collapsed with him in it.