Another reckless display by Hamilton

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sea-man said:
Are we talking about Hamilton/petrov malaysia 2010?

I never did count that as blocking really, although I may be called a fanboy for saying so,

Its a block if the driver behind does not want you in front of them whereas petrov clearly did want hamilton on front of him, I also wouldn't call it a block if the driver behind is not forced to lift off/brake earlier than intended which he did not.
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Thanks, Petrov it was my mistake. This is why I hate the three numpties on the BBC , they kept decribing it as Hamilton blocking him. On a personal Level while Jordan is a WUM , the other 2 deffinately have issues with hamilton.
 
mephistopheles said:
Although it was a close call on the penalty issue, I honestly believe that the deciding factor was that Massa suffered a puncture, If lewis had simply lost his front wing then nothing would have been done.

It was a 50/50 decision but the puncture swung it, and rightly so in my very humble opinion.

It wouldn't be fair to destroy another drivers race and not get a slap on the wrist which is all we are talking about here.

I know because I've heard it all before on another forum that some will jump up and down and say yes but it was just a mistake or it was an error in judgement and lots of other things besides, but all those things are completely irrelevant, when you are talking about open wheel racing, it is not like the Gelletta Juniors where they bash into each other with impunity and no recourse, open wheel racing is dangerous, if you want to see that type of racing then I suggest you go and watch banger cars to satisfy your lust.

I repeat open wheel racing is dangerous and requires a modicum of respect for your fellow competitors.
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Fair play and if the reverse had happened to hamilton I would be expecting the same, but when you see Msc blocking him for godknows how many laps, until he's finally told , your not allowed double moves to stop some passing, which effectively leaves Hamilton 25 seconds down on the leaders, you have to wonder is everyone being judged with the same rules.
 
McLarenDan said:
Speaking philosophically the consequences of an action are irrelevant to the morality of an action for example the person who attempts to gun his wife down and misses is more morally culpable than the person who trips over, causing his wife to fall down the stairs and die. I also believe that punishments and stewarding decisions should be made not in the line of retribution but rather as a disincentive for unsportsmanlike conduct... racing incidents are racing incidents in my head and the rule book shouldn't be thrown out so much. So with that in mind I'd say Hamilton probably shouldn't have got a penalty... he tried to break and locked up, so there's no intention there and losing his wing is incentive enough not to do those things. It was an accident, a racing incident. Plus can't believe for the life of me Nico got off so much more lightly than Lewis given his eventful race. Not to mention Michael.
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This! seriously you cut the chicane and gain like 3 places, and thats OK?? OK in his defence he was going fast and could not make the corner, so therfore you let those people you passed, overtake, but to be allowed to keep the position, come on!
 
The problem is that in teh 80's with senna , mansell, piquet, prost, hill etc etc doing their thing they would have laughed at the things drivers are being called up for now, seriously with Senna it used to be, get out of the way or be driven off the road, would lover to have seen him and mansell go head to head in equal cars, no favouritism.
 
Man, you make up stuff right left and centre to try and prove you're correct, Rosberg didn't make 3 places, he stayed in the same position, and maybe they let Rosberg off cos it's the first time he's done it, he isn't a race by race perpetrator. Seriously, how many people has Hamilton hit this season? Although I'd agree that it really was a racing incident, everyone else who's done something similar to Hamilton has been penalised exactly the same, go ask Alonso, Di Resta, Schumacher, Senna, Buemi, Kobayashi, etc etc. The difference is they all have the intelligence to learn from their mistakes (or in Schumachers case, the slyness and connections to get away with it). they get treated the same, trouble is Ramilton makes too many mistakes, he's becoming a joke, he's probably hit as many people this season as Seb 'the crash kid' Vettel has in his whole career.

what other piece of Bullshit are you gonna try and cling to next Cameron?
 
Miggins said:
Man, you make up stuff right left and centre to try and prove you're correct, Rosberg didn't make 3 places, he stayed in the same position, and maybe they let Rosberg off cos it's the first time he's done it, he isn't a race by race perpetrator. Seriously, how many people has Hamilton hit this season? Although I'd agree that it really was a racing incident, everyone else who's done something similar to Hamilton has been penalised exactly the same, go ask Alonso, Di Resta, Schumacher, Senna, Buemi, Kobayashi, etc etc. The difference is they all have the intelligence to learn from their mistakes (or in Schumachers case, the slyness and connections to get away with it). they get treated the same, trouble is Ramilton makes too many mistakes, he's becoming a joke, he's probably hit as many people this season as Seb 'the crash kid' Vettel has in his whole career.

what other piece of Bull**** are you gonna try and cling to next Cameron?
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Well I was referring to Nico ramming Perez off the road. Certainly penalty worthy behavior if Hamilton's was.
 
McLarenDan said:
Well I was referring to Nico ramming Perez off the road. Certainly penalty worthy behavior if Hamilton's was.
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Perez's race was not ruined by it though, unlike Massa's. Plus they were pretty much side by side unlike Massa and Hamilton.
 
Mifune said:
Perez's race was not ruined by it though, unlike Massa's. Plus they were pretty much side by side unlike Massa and Hamilton.
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But surely if driver A does a move on driver B that either gives driver A and advantage, or disadvantages driver B, then you get a penalty?

How do you quantify the scale of a disadvantage to then determine if a penalty is due? If an unfair advantage is gained, then the way penalties have been hadned out this year, a penalty is due.

Rather than clearing up confusion, the new rules seem to still be bringing up inconsistencies with their application.

What they need to do is vote an ex-driverr on as a permanent steward, rther than have 'guest' stewards whose views may differ from race to race. Consistency can only be acheived with consistency!
 
allsaintchris said:
But surely if driver A does a move on driver B that either gives driver A and advantage, or disadvantages driver B, then you get a penalty?

How do you quantify the scale of a disadvantage to then determine if a penalty is due? If an unfair advantage is gained, then the way penalties have been hadned out this year, a penalty is due.

Rather than clearing up confusion, the new rules seem to still be bringing up inconsistencies with their application.

What they need to do is vote an ex-driverr on as a permanent steward, rther than have 'guest' stewards whose views may differ from race to race. Consistency can only be acheived with consistency!
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Well I think it should be rather simple; if driver A does a move on driver B and inflicts damage to driver B or causes them to spin then driver A gets a penalty. If they are side by side though then that is just racing.

The Rosberg/Perez incident was in my opinion 100% racing incident; they were side by side pretty much and touched wheels, Rosberg locked up a bit going to the inside and Perez could of left him a bit more room, no damage was done.

The Hamilton/Massa incident was not really a racing incident because Hamilton was completely behind Massa and just went into the back of him giving Massa a puncture and ruining his race.

They are different types of incidents but they do show what I feel is the difference between a racing incident that should be left alone and an incident that deserved a penalty.

I would also say if the Massa/Hamilton incident had happened in the same way apart from Massa not getting a puncture then Hamilton should not, and probably would not, of been given a penalty. And also if it was another driver and not Hamilton then nobody would be talking about if it should of been a penalty or not.
 
Here here Miggins! I agree 100% I still laugh at people who think Vettel is a crash-kid!! I personally dont believe Nico did anything penalty-worth as he and Perez were side by side and just banged wheels, no harm done to eithers race however Lewis ruined Massa's race which I think probably deserves a penalty! I believe that the drivers hsould be given a certain amount of slack for making 2 or 3 mistakes a year but when it gets to Hamiltons level of 8 or 9 a year that is where I believe penalties need to be given!

Another point I want to make is that like Schumacher over the years Lewis has built a reputation of banging into people and being a crash-kid so therefore nowadays he is penalised hard! Whereas with other people the stewards go "Oh well, its a mistake, we havent had him here for a good number of races" as they are very rarely at the stewards whereas because Lewis is there so much and has been over the past few years they are just fed up and punish him everytime which I think there is an element of fairness to!

Some of you Hamilton fans may not think it was fair but its life - build a reputation and thats what you are treated by! Schumacher is also treated harsh by the stewards - Monaco last year was over the top in extremity - he should have just been swapped places with Alonso rather than a ludacris 10 second penalty or whatever it was!

Unfortunately with both of them their reputation now goes before them!
 
Seriously there is law that says women can't drive that is just wrong on so many levels, no wonder alcohol is banned out there, there's nobody to drive you home after a session and who the hells gonna pick the kids up from school?

I'm just kidding it is shameful as is flogging, I'm glad I don't live there..
 
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