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Gone For A Walk said:
WTF has society become that kids could even do such things.
We need an absolute reset. And it should start with banning knives, full stop. There's no need for anyone to be carrying. Immediate prison sentence (oh hang on). It's so ****ing obvious; instead we get "down by 50% by 2030" - it's like they just don't care.
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The starting point in sentencing guidelines was 13 years,Mrs 'Justice' Tipples clearly bought into their mitigation/sob story.

Never was there a more opportune moment in History to make a definitive statement of intent and sentence them to life imprisonment with absolutely no possibility of release.

This Country and Government are about to embark on measures to obliterate knife crime,the opportunity to halve it overnight has been missed?
 
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Ric Glasgow said:
The starting point in sentencing guidelines was 13 years,Mrs 'Justice' Tipples clearly bought into their mitigation/sob story.
Never was there a more opportune moment in History to make a definitive statement of intent and sentence them to life imprisonment with absolutely no possibility of release.
This Country and Government are about to embark on measures to obliterate knife crime,the opportunity to halve it overnight has been missed?
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But they're not Ric.
Yes, they've banned machetes & zombie knives.
They should have done the same with carrying any knife in public (bar clear, obvious needs like certain tradesmen of course). Meaning, just ban them NOW. Instead they've set themselves a ridiculously unambitious target of "halving knife crime by 2030", meanwhile stabbings & fatalities will continue. Or have I missed something?
If the issue is shortage of prison spaces, just listed to Anne Widdecombe. It really isn't difficult ... if there was a will.
 
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Ric Glasgow said:
Mitigating factors are part of the circus that we call courts of law,the Judge can decide whether to pay any creedance to them or make his/her mind up to whether or not it's waffle.

These 'lads' seemed to be fully aware of what they were doing and any media reports I've read suggest that this pair of feral little bastards carried out a brutal murder with such force that one of the wounds(the fatal one)penetrated the victims body 9 inches and almost passed through his body. I think I tend to side with Shawn Seesahai's bereaved parents who are outraged by the 'leniency' shown,I'm pretty sure I'd be showing the same emotions if this happened to anyone or anything belonging to me.

These are parents who then had to spend their entire life savings on repatriaing their sons remains,take out a loan to attend the trial and ultimately couldn't even afford to be present at the sentencing.

My empathy lies with them,not with a pair of lying little ****ers who blamed each other for taking someone's life and who will more than likely roam our streets when they reach their 20's.
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I have nothing but sympathy for the parents of the victim and quite understand their distress at the sentence, the whole affair is just a huge tragedy.
But, what would you have done with these 2 12 year olds instead? Myself, I don't know. Lock them up and throw away the key? We don't do that thankfully. Lock them up for a bit longer so they're not out until their 30's or 40's? Does that really make that much difference?
How do we deal with offenders like these 2 without taking a step back into the Dark Ages?
 
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On the news the other day about one of the manufacturers being paid to destroy the knives it had made before they became illegal...
Work on distribution, can be bought easily on Ebay etc. Work on this and the distribution be held to account.
The post can / do check and intervene apparently
More prisons (sadly), rehab in prisons, not just holding cells. More police to catch people generally, bigger legal system to prosecute or divert, when out enough probation staff to actually do something... Etc.
Will take a long time and money...
 
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Twenty years ago on entering an American small-town bar, a sign read "All knives over 12 inches in length Must be checked at the door". My work mates and I just laughed at at it, pointing out to the doorman, that length is not a knife, it's a f*****g sword. Though, quite what you were going to do with a 12 inch knife in a state that allows the open carry of guns I am not sure.We explained that in the UK just carrying any knife could land you in jail. He was somewhat shocked and wanted to know why.
Good to see this country has adopted the liberal views of said doorman.
 
Ron Burguvdy said:
No simple answer/s

On the news the other day about one of the manufacturers being paid to destroy the knives it had made before they became illegal...
Work on distribution, can be bought easily on Ebay etc. Work on this and the distribution be held to account.
The post can / do check and intervene apparently
More prisons (sadly), rehab in prisons, not just holding cells. More police to catch people generally, bigger legal system to prosecute or divert, when out enough probation staff to actually do something... Etc.
Will take a long time and money...
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The choice is stark and simple.
'Invest' in all of that, or else continue to see the epidemic we see.
Odd that they magic up prison cells, police, courts, etc for protest by 'concerned citizens' (not for one minute condoning attacks on police, hotels, etc).
Make it illegal and with harsh consequences with immediate effect and hey presto, a lot of it will end overnight (no, not all, but a lot).
The will just simply isn't strong enough, and I can't for the life of me get my head round why that is the case.
 
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Plum said:
I have nothing but sympathy for the parents of the victim and quite understand their distress at the sentence, the whole affair is just a huge tragedy.
But, what would you have done with these 2 12 year olds instead? Myself, I don't know. Lock them up and throw away the key? We don't do that thankfully. Lock them up for a bit longer so they're not out until their 30's or 40's? Does that really make that much difference?
How do we deal with offenders like these 2 without taking a step back into the Dark Ages?
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I understand your post and realise your sympathy,it is a huge tragedy that should never reappear and that to me is why,in today's current climate,it was the perfect opportunity to ram home a clear message,as in...It stops now and your age or mitigation isn't an excuse?

Yes,I'd have given them both life,perhaps it's best I'm not in a position to do so.
 
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Plum said:
I have nothing but sympathy for the parents of the victim and quite understand their distress at the sentence, the whole affair is just a huge tragedy.
But, what would you have done with these 2 12 year olds instead? Myself, I don't know. Lock them up and throw away the key? We don't do that thankfully. Lock them up for a bit longer so they're not out until their 30's or 40's? Does that really make that much difference?
How do we deal with offenders like these 2 without taking a step back into the Dark Ages?
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The trouble these days there seems to be more concern and sympathy given to the perpetrators and not enough for the victims, the victim's family now have a life sentence of not seeing their loved one grow up, which they will never get over.
 
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