Oh dear, Fez
“It's not a blame game.”
It is for you when it suits. For me I blame & will continue to blame, the Allams for creating the environment that has led to my non attendance. It’s not a game for many. A few flip-floppers seem to like creating & presenting it as a game.
“I think most of us are like-minded in regards to how obnoxious and totally beyond contempt the owners are.”
Agreed, a lot are also true to their principles.
“We don't need to reinforce that perspective, they seem to achieve that all on their own”
All the more reason to stick to your personal principles.
“I haven't sought to have argument, or to find fault in others. I have stated my individual point of view, but I have not criticised others for having an opinion other than my own. Unfortunately some responders and their likers have taken this as an opportunity to create an argument, which, also unfortunately, is fairly typical of them.‘
You state your opinions buts it’s hard keeping up with which way they swing. You used the term “we” I simply pointed out not to include me in your “We”. If you believe a discussion & others stating their opinion, that being, that your opinion is wrong is an argument then you maybe got what you set out to achieve which is fairly typical of you.
“Yes, that's disappointing because it was just my opinion, no more than that.”
How many “we” did you speak to in determining your opinion that you, & us (we?) should be over using the owners as a reason for not attending. At what stage did you give up on your principles? They were the reason & now they’re not?
“The point I wished to make is that the Allams have frustrated all of the best intended initiatives to reverse their deliberate mismanagement of our football club. They carry on regardless, and I believe the most positive action now, at this time, is to support the team, if you can and feel like you still care enough. But I really do have better things to do than swop negative posts with a few argumentative posters.”
So you support the team? Of course you don’t. It’s just your principles that have changed. You used to blame the Allams for not going, when convenient, you now have other reasons & still don’t go yet you feel your opinion in telling others what reasons they may have for not attending should also change has merit. I don’t. Care enough to support the team? Did you ever or have the Allams been a convenient excuse for you?
“So what is this really all about?”
It’s about principle & personal principles. Some shout out about them & stick to them, others shout about them disappear for a while & appear with different ones.
“It's not about businessmen and their machinations. We're far from there.”
It’s about them, the enemy & people’s personal principles.
“Ben, notice this. It's about our club, not their club, but yours, the supporter that you might or might not be, it is your club and team. It's not bricks and mortar, or shirt and trakkies, it's people, players, belief. Far bigger than the morals of the arse hole Allams.”
Fez, notice this. It’s about our club, principles & personal principles not their club ( although it is theirs), their principles & their lack of moral high ground. Agree it’s nothing to do with bricks & mortar or shirts & trakkies, it’s people & supporter’s beliefs that the people, it is about, having no right to receive any of their money, not even begrudgingly which is far bigger than the morals of the arse hole Allams.
“Sometimes owners don't need to beat anyone. It's just that they use supporter loyalty to be devisive.”
If you’re no longer using them as an excuse for not going whilst creating divisiveness then they’ve beaten you.
“You can say and think what you will about me. I have been consistent and honest in my approach to the Allams. I detest them. But I recognise we must adapt and not work on dogma.”
Adapt? How have you adapted? You didn’t go because of the Allams & now you don’t go because of can’t & don’t want to, but your opinion is we should adapt & also give up on the principles that we have.
“The tone of yours and Kempton's words disrespected me. I can live with that. But I find it difficult to understand how your thinking now helps dealing with the problem we have.”
You using “We” without any evidence to support your opinion & coming across as being critical of those who have been consistent in their reasons for not attending disrespected many more than just you. Especially when you consider your massive flip-flopping reasons for not to go. The likes of Kemps & me don’t have a problem. We have principles that we’re at ease with sticking to. It feels good, give it a try.
“There are now too many what-could-have-beens to find fault, moving forward and the next game is the best focus. I think a change of thinking is needed by absent supporters, but I respect their honestly held beliefs whatever.”
It’s easy for the likes of you ... below, your words from previous posts. I just borrowed them.
“I don’t atend because they treat you like ****e, they abuse goodwill and they are as disingenuous a pair as you will ever meet. Their actions over a number of years has robbed them of any moral high groound. The club pretend to listen to the fans and can claim to be working with them - they are not. Being ambivalent must stop at some point when it is damaging your club, which I and many more (both supporters and otherwise). It comes across that it has been forgotten who the enemy is in all of this. I stopped attending as my own personal point of principle, rather than a protest. I don’t believe the Allams & don’t trust them. Their personal characteristics are the same as they have always been. They have got away with so much, that they should not have done. Concessions are a piss take, the name-change is a forever piss take. When they reverse something it is done with a false largesse but isn’t challenged. Many clubs are run poorly but what makes Hull City different is the owners; they are a disease that has taken control and infected our club, which makes it even worse than most others. Maybe that infection will leave, maybe the club will sort itself out, I don't know, but I believe that there are many who live a whole lot closer than my 130 miles who react in the same way. I begrudge putting a single penny into the Allam coffers while he progresses his campaign against the club, so I don't. I don't expect anyone else to follow my particular example. I’ll be back when the owners change. I bet they won't tell us it is a gift to the City or that they will make football as free as the air that we breath; do you? Do you think a new owner will demand ownership of the KCOM for £0 and I very much doubt they will try to change the name or rob the young and old. Whether or not I will attend any games, home or away, is totally unimportant to me, as the owners have destroyed the joy I felt in the occasion and the commitment I had to make to travel to it. Again sad - but life goes on.”
“I’m now not going because I can’t & don’t want to” but think others should be over using the Allams as an reason for not going.
Whatever happened to personal principles eh?
“But nevertheless, why not make it personal jibes on an anonymous board”
Why not stick to your personal principles?
But being able to pay £36 a month does make it doable for most. Unfortunately not everybody, I know.
