Off Topic Aliens

[luvgonzo]

Can't do what exactly?

In answer to the second question, yes, you believe. What you're not doing is conforming to the wishes.

If a book gives a definition for a god, and the content of the same book shows the god doesn't meet that criteria, does that god exist?


All academic to the point though, the claim was clear and precise. "Every terrorist is an atheist in theory" and that claim is patently wrong.

All that is being proven, is some can't understand the simple definition of atheism.

You're being literally bound to an argument that goes beyond literal meaning, add belief and faith to any argument and the rules change.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Can't do what exactly?

In answer to the second question, yes, you believe. What you're not doing is conforming to the wishes.

If a book gives a definition for a god, and the content of the same book shows the god doesn't meet that criteria, does that god exist?


All academic to the point though, the claim was clear and precise. "Every terrorist is an atheist in theory" and that claim is patently wrong.

All that is being proven, is some can't understand the simple definition of atheism.

What about the first question?

Too hard for ya?

 

[thefanwithnoname]

You will have interpreted your own version of said God, adjusted the words you've read to suit your own needs and will have created a new God that follows your own will.
God is man, man is God.

By creating your own "belief" you have denied God = atheism

 

[DMD]

You're being literally bound to an argument that goes beyond literal meaning, add belief and faith to any argument and the rules change.

I'm simply arguing against the claim, that "Every terrorist is an atheist in theory", and I say the premise is false, based on definition of 'atheist'.

 

[DMD]

What about the first question?

Too hard for ya?

The first question is the discussion "Every terrorist is an atheist in theory".

The answer is, no they are not.

 

[luvgonzo]

By creating your own "belief" you have denied God = atheism

You have denied your version of God. Not everyone's.

 

[DMD]

By creating your own "belief" you have denied God = atheism

Nope, people believe in a whole variety of gods, the one you believe in is one of many 1,000's. Not believing in your version, doesn't make someone an atheist.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

You have denied your version of God. Not everyone's.

Is it mine or your (general your not you personally) version though?

Belief in God is binary you believe/obey or disbelieve/disobey

 

[DMD]

Is it mine or your (general your not you personally) version though?

Belief in God is binary you believe/obey or disbelieve/disobey

What if someone believes in a God that has no rules?

 

[thefanwithnoname]

The first question is the discussion "Every terrorist is an atheist in theory".

The answer is, no they are not.

Wasn't my first question, you chose not to engage so ta da

 

[luvgonzo]

I'm simply arguing against the claim, that "Every terrorist is an atheist in theory", and I say the premise is false, based on definition of 'atheist'.

Based on a definition then maybe, but faith and belief have to go beyond a definition by language as you are putting your faith in something that no one person can either prove or disprove.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

What if someone believes in a God that has no rules?

What if an atheist believes in alien creators?

 

[DMD]

Based on a definition then maybe, but faith and belief have to go beyond a definition by language as you are putting your faith in something that no one person can either prove or disprove.

That's a different question. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in the existence of god or gods.

Someone may self define as whatever religion they choose, it doesn't mean they follow the tenets of that faith. Not all Anglican priests believe in god for example.

 

[luvgonzo]

Is it mine or your (general your not you personally) version though?

Belief in God is binary you believe/obey or disbelieve/disobey

Which is simply your choice, people will argue your logic but it will not matter as faith in God is personal and without proof or reason, it is simply your belief.

 

[DMD]

What if an atheist believes in alien creators?

Believes in them, or believes in the possibility?

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Based on a definition then maybe, but faith and belief have to go beyond a definition by language as you are putting your faith in something that no one person can either prove or disprove.

Definitions are key in these debates

Its when we get into them that it gets interesting

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Believes in them, or believes in the possibility?

Either really

 

[luvgonzo]

That's a different question. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in the existence of god or gods.

Someone may self define as whatever religion they choose, it doesn't mean they follow the tenets of that faith. Not all Anglican priests believe in god for example.

Your definition may mean you win a literal argument and that you can cling onto a fact. It doesn't answer the questions that you want though.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Which is simply your choice, people will argue your logic but it will not matter as faith in God is personal and without proof or reason, it is simply your belief.

I don't think it is personal tbh

I use the example of that woman from that TV show, Muslims like us or whatever it was called, saying she was Muslim but didn't pray instead wrote letters, didn't cover and felt didn't need to and wenr clubbing etc as she felt she could. Sure she can do all of that if she chooses but Muslim she isn't. She has denied God

 

[DMD]

Either really

If he believes in the possibility, then he could still be an atheist.

If he believes in a god that is an alien, then he is not an atheist.

BTW. If, as I suspect, you're trying to claim Dawkin's is an atheist, I couldn't give a ****, I know very little about him and don't follow his writing.