Off Topic Aliens

  • Please bear with us on the new site integration and fixing any known bugs over the coming days. If you can not log in please try resetting your password and check your spam box. If you have tried these steps and are still struggling email [email protected] with your username/registered email address
  • Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!
thefanwithnoname said:
Not sure if it's the same one that I've seen but in the one I saw it was clear what he was saying

It referred to past and present as in those who were Christians and Jews before the current revelations came were saved

So for the Jews before christianity or for the Christians before Islam there is no fear

once the new religion has been established those following the older one would not be exempt and will be lost
Click to expand...
He was wrong as there is no context to arrive at that conclusion and it mentions the Jews, Christians and Sabeans later in another book which killed his premise for context. There was also another where he was questioning the HB but he embarrassed himself with his biased interpretation of the word begotten.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DMD
DMD said:
Like many other groups, they'll not follow anything similar to those religions.

Why did god create them? Are they all in hell? Is that fair, given they hadn't had access to the instructions?
Click to expand...

it's actually quite clear and even what I said before about those who became came before and those who came after answers this too

A child is not sinful similarly and I always use the example of someone like Tarzan would not be accountable if he never heard the message

It's actually quite clear if you look
 
  • Like
Reactions: Spurlock
DMD said:
Addressed in what way?
Click to expand...

As to why he refuses them

What do you have to remember is that a lot of no bodies want to gain Fame by standing on a platform with someone like him and if you look at the attendances and audiences he get received around the world you can't deny him the choice of arguing somebody who is similar in stature rather than someone like I think wood who couldn't get past Shabbir Ally
 
thefanwithnoname said:
it's actually quite clear and even what I said before about those who became came before and those who came after answers this too

A child is not sinful similarly and I always use the example of someone like Tarzan would not be accountable if he never heard the message

It's actually quite clear if you look
Click to expand...

Not really. Abrahimic faiths were quite regional. Many, if not most parts of the world would have had no idea of many of the stories they told, nor the rules until relatively recently. That in itself points to it not being divine.


Why would all powerful, all knowing, all caring god need to create people like that, and test them?
 
Ginger Marks said:
He was wrong as there is no context to arrive at that conclusion and it mentions the Jews, Christians and Sabeans later in another book which killed his premise for context. There was also another where he was questioning the HB but he embarrassed himself with his biased interpretation of the word begotten.
Click to expand...
As I say I don't know which video you watched but the general point I made is actually clarified in the Quran and that is that when Christianity came onto the scene and was established then you follow that but anybody who followed the previous scripture and adhered to the laws is not punishable
 
thefanwithnoname said:
As to why he refuses them

What do you have to remember is that a lot of no bodies want to gain Fame by standing on a platform with someone like him and if you look at the attendances and audiences he get received around the world you can't deny him the choice of arguing somebody who is similar in stature rather than someone like I think wood who couldn't get past Shabbir Ally
Click to expand...

He can't preach in many parts, because the people of his faith flagged his preaching up.

If he wanted to show how good he was, why wouldn't he want to take on those at the highest level and prove his case?

How many people watch his videos for the comedy value? They guy is barking and it's often not difficult to find the holes in his arguments.

Mind you, he may not have a choice but to perform, as I think there's an arrest warrant out for him in his own country isn't there?
 
DMD said:
Not really. Abrahimic faiths were quite regional. Many, if not most parts of the world would have had no idea of many of the stories they told, nor the rules until relatively recently. That in itself points to it not being divine.


Why would all powerful, all knowing, all caring god need to create people like that, and test them?
Click to expand...


Not really what?

the Quran says that those who are questioned but said we did not hear the Call are to be exempt

Furthermore it is something that can be used against the Muslim that a person in there vicinity was not given the message today even non-religious children in primary school know about Islam throughout the world
 
DMD said:
He can't preach in many parts, because the people of his faith flagged his preaching up.

If he wanted to show how good he was, why wouldn't he want to take on those at the highest level and prove his case?

How many people watch his videos for the comedy value? They guy is barking and it's often not difficult to find the holes in his arguments.
Click to expand...


I don't know why don't you ask him on my part I recognise his limitations and have heard him say he is a student of comparative religion and certainly knows his stuff he has never cleaned to be anything else and I have never claimed that he is correct in every aspect on the contrary my initial response was negative
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Not really what?

the Quran says that those who are questioned but said we did not hear the Call are to be exempt

Furthermore it is something that can be used against the Muslim that a person in there vicinity was not given the message today even non-religious children in primary school know about Islam throughout the world
Click to expand...


Ace, I've not heard the call, so I can do as I please and still get my share of paradise, with none of the threats and bungs.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I don't know why don't you ask him on my part I recognise his limitations and have heard him say he is a student of comparative religion and certainly knows his stuff he has never cleaned to be anything else and I have never claimed that he is correct in every aspect on the contrary my initial response was negative
Click to expand...

I don't know about 'knows his stuff', not based on the bits I've seen.
 
DMD said:
Ace, I've not heard the call, so I can do as I please and still get my share of paradise, with none of the threats and bungs.
Click to expand...

I know you are in the Habit of forgetting things for example our earlier discussion where I explain something to you on Sunday and by Tuesday you were claiming I hadn't explain anything but you can never claim you haven't heard the message the good news for you is that if you have problems with memory or sanity you can be exempt to
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I know you are in the Habit of forgetting things for example our earlier discussion where I explain something to you on Sunday and by Tuesday you were claiming I hadn't explain anything but you can never claim you haven't heard the message the good news for you is that if you have problems with memory or sanity you can be exempt to
Click to expand...

You really shouldn't bring up your inability to disprove that you follow a bastardisation of pagan religions, especially after you put all that effort in to burying it.

Oh, and I'm sure your god will be noting down the lies of yours.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
As I say I don't know which video you watched but the general point I made is actually clarified in the Quran and that is that when Christianity came onto the scene and was established then you follow that but anybody who followed the previous scripture and adhered to the laws is not punishable
Click to expand...
The scriptures were around long before Islam came on the scene Fan. The quote I posted said "Those who believe in the Jewish faith, being Christian and Sabeans have no fears on the final day". This is clearly stated in the present. So Naiks explanation was either disingenuous or just plain wrong.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
I know you are in the Habit of forgetting things for example our earlier discussion where I explain something to you on Sunday and by Tuesday you were claiming I hadn't explain anything but you can never claim you haven't heard the message the good news for you is that if you have problems with memory or sanity you can be exempt to
Click to expand...

Bad news is I'll bear witness that he heard it <cheers>
 
  • Like
Reactions: thefanwithnoname
Ginger Marks said:
The scriptures were around long before Islam came on the scene Fan. The quote I posted said "Those who believe in the Jewish faith, being Christian and Sabeans have no fears on the final day". This is clearly stated in the present. So Naiks explanation was either disingenuous or just plain wrong.
Click to expand...


I am not disputing the quote or even the vid you saw

My point was and is what I recall seeing him explain, not just that but I also know that the peoples of the books have no fears whilst those books were the only ones.

Its a past present thing always has been but some try and show it, wrongly, as a contradiction and are corrected
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back