Abortionists
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The thing with abortion that is IMO very sad is that it generally can be avoided in the first place
There is a place for abortion if there is an issue of rape or danger to the mother, but these days its becoming the 'norm' and seen as a tool of contraception
The thing is if you punched a woman in the stomach at 23 weeks and killed her child what would the charge be?
As for the religion argument it always gets me that people take risks mess around etc but blame God when things go bad
for example God clearly says dont fornicate people ignore that, yet get a problem and its Gods fault
An example maybe the pill and its links to certain cancers, women take it to literally **** around, get cancer and lose faith in God
There is a place for abortion if there is an issue of rape or danger to the mother, but these days its becoming the 'norm' and seen as a tool of contraception
The thing is if you punched a woman in the stomach at 23 weeks and killed her child what would the charge be?
As for the religion argument it always gets me that people take risks mess around etc but blame God when things go bad
for example God clearly says dont fornicate people ignore that, yet get a problem and its Gods fault
An example maybe the pill and its links to certain cancers, women take it to literally **** around, get cancer and lose faith in God
Irrelevant. There's no parallel to be made between A) the owner and creator of a baby having it evacuated from her own body and B) an alien being deiberately assaulting a pregnant woman in order to kill a wanted child. Separate things completely.
Kids shouldn't be brought into this world if the parents aren't ready for it. Maybe they should take precautions, but in the end it doesn't always happen. It's not fair on the kid to be forced to exist just because their parents ****ed up before they were even born.
I'm for the opposite, forced abortions unless you can prove that you can provide/care for your kid, it would also put Jeremy Kyle out of business, everyone wins
Steven Levitt in the popular book 'Freakonomics' put the argument across that there was a correlation between a drop in the United States crime rate and the introduction of abortion in the 1970's. Apparently giving the lower class the ability to remove unborn babies has in a eugenical sort of way meant that they were not free to reproduce their own delinquency.
This brings up a huge moral question - because something gives practical benefits does it make it morally correct,
because a teenage mother is going to bring up a bit of a delinquent child does it make it morally correct to terminate the child before it's had a chance to rob my house?
because a child is going to be born with deformities does it make it right not to give the child a less happy and more challenging deformed life?
because a parent isn't ready to give up their normal lives, does it make it right to remove the child from a womb?
I don't pretend to have the answer to these questions, but it's worth thinking about do some morally suspect means always justify the ends.
I had two kids by the time I was 21. **** happens My brother is deaf and dumb, big Damien.
Short, to the point and I absolutely agree.
Even the father shouldn't have a say...
Him: "But I really want this baby"
Her: "You carry it then"
Him: "I can't"
Her: "**** off then"
I've already explained why one of them isn't murder and the other is. If the woman asked for someone to hit her till the baby died, I wouldn't consider that murder. But if it was unconsenting, it would be violent force and therefore a taking of a wanted life. I.e. murder.
Even if it was consenting it would be murder, as are illegal abortions
The point is not the manner of getting rid, its about deciding when the foetus is considered to be a life
A girl in my work was telling me the other day how her friend is 20 odd weeks pregnant but just found that the baby has severe heart problems. If the baby survives they said it could either die very earlier or be seriously ill for the rest of its life.
She has to make the decision soon but I think I would opt for the abortion if it was my woman going through it.
She has to make the decision soon but I think I would opt for the abortion if it was my woman going through it.
Thats fine but then if the woman decides to keep it then she should **** off with the alimony/child support demands
works both ways
Abortion is murder, no doubt about it. You wouldn't kill a kid with down's syndrome, why should you do the same to a foetus? Even in the case of rape (though the number of babies actually concieved in rape is miniscule), you can't punish the child by taking away it's life just because of what its father did. You don't know who you're going to kill, with abortions it's possible that the world has lost many great artists and thinkers, murder is murder is murder.
stopmeandslapme:1779410 said:
I am with most things. And it's not like I preach about abortion if I'm not asked. I was talking to a bloke the other day whose bird has had 4 abortions in the last 5 years, and I didn't say a word.
I'm not talking about what is the law, I'm talking about what should be considered ethically correct. The law can go **** itself.
As long as it's a parasite inside the mother, it's her body and her choice. No-one else owns her or can tell her what she does with a being that's within her and dependent on her bodily resources. If she wants that being ended, whether alive or dead, whether a good thing or a bad thing, she should be able to do that.
I was told my little lad should be aborted as he had broken bones while in the womb, they wanted the foetus for experiments
I told them NO, then they said he would die at birth, then they gave him 3 weeks
He is 7 soon and is the happiest kid in the world despite his disabilities
anyone wishing to abort on doctors advice should have a chat with him
It's brutal Meds. Not a choice I would want to have to make. Do you think my Bro who is deaf and dumb should have been aborted? He is life and soul now.
I was talking about how the law tries to have it both ways, yes I agree its ****ed
As for the second part women will do whatever they like, doesnt make it right imo. As for the no one owns her I disagree when it comes to the issue of abortion, IMO the father has to have a say as the baby is owned by both.
I've never seen the whole 'sanctity of human life' side of things, until the foetus has left the womb I see it more as a 'potential' human rather than someone/thing with the same rights as everyone else. The parents/mother are the ones that should choose whether it's fair on the kid to be brought into existence, and it seems like it's done less and less nowadays. The amount of fat Jeremy Kyle nation slags pushing kids around whilst feeding them Monster Munch and Lucozade is disgusting, and most of them are doing it because:
A: They're too thick to know how a condom/contraception works
B: They get free money
C: It's 'cool' or their friends got one so they want one too.
D: Their mum had them at that age and they turned out fine....
Not getting into the whole disabled kid issue, it's way too late. As much as I know that there are loads of kids with disabilities that lead very happy lives and bring joy to their parents, I don't know what I'd do personally, but then again I've never encountered that situation so can't give my opinion. I don't think it's wrong though for parents to want to do it, you only live one life.
On the moral side of things I'm against any living thing being killed/tortured if you have a choice, that's why I'm a tree-hugging, animal rights supporting vegetarian
Deaf and dumb is a little bit different from heart failure though isn't it