Off Topic 2019 GE

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Who will you support in the 2019 GE

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If you look at the state of our club and football team...its understandable the busiest thread is politics..

As for polls the only thing that is certain about them is that they will be wrong

Gordon Brown iirc had a poor moment with some woman that was a disaster

Bonko has today had a disaster with a 4 year old lying in the floor of a hospital and nicking a journo's phone..

For want of a nail a shoe was lost, for want of a shoe a horse was lost for want of a horse a kingdom was lost.... I forget where this phrase is from.... heres hoping Bonko has lost a nail!
 
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The Norton Cat said:
State control of utilities with, in John McDonnell's words, "boards to run them made up of you, the customer, you the worker" sounds remarkably similar to a worker's soviet. That experiment worked well...
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As they did when last under state control - NOT!!
 
Chunksafc said:
Is it? When we sell off the NHS through the back door of increasing drug costs until its unsustainable and people need health insurance for basic treatments like insulin?

A free point of care service, that thousands of people are proud to work in and support about to be sold off through stealth and ignorance.
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Hear Hear, if anyone is in any doubt that a Johnson right wing government will put the needs of the ordinary working people and the less able to provide for themselves before the interests of big business then this they just need to look across the Atlantic and see what a right wing government actually looks like.
Climate Change denial as an official policy. The withdrawal from the Paris Agreement. As an example the use of coal reserves when most western countries are moving away from using coal as a power source.
Repeated attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act (Obama Care). The Republican Party is financed by private healthcare.
Tax reforms designed to benefit the wealthy at the cost of the poorer in society. Substantial cuts for higher income taxpayers and corporations.
Massive increases in Defence spending thereby forcing reductions in spending on programs to help the less well off. The real poor, the people with no hope. Current costed spending for 2019 is 700billion Dollars.
The big Pharma companies lobbying US government to artificially keep medicine prices high to the benefit of the drug manufacturers rather than patients.
The cost of this lobbying was $3.4 billion in 2018, that is $3.4 billion spent to keep prices inflated and markets protected, this is why healthcare costs in the US are so high.
These are just a few policies which go against the interests of ordinary people.
We have never had a proper far right wing Governing Party in the UK before, I believe Johnson, Gove and Rees-Mogg and their like will take us down that road post Brexit. And not to mention the PM's attempt to silence Parliament, that is a very dangerous road to go down.
Vote for them if you don't value any form of fairness and equality.
 
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Conspiracy Theorist said:
From previous conversations (when I was on here as Diddles) you mentioned you're around the same age as me mate, so from my perspective and maybe your's we have to look at our youth and helping them to get on in life, education is the way forward, saddling students with life -long debt is not the way our rich nation should be acting towards our young generation, when we were young University education was more or less free, buying a house and getting onto the property markets was easier and affordable, it's hard enough now to do these things - I have 4 children either going into Uni or still studying there, I feel for them that have to get into so much debt to 'better' themselves !
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In terms of university I'd happily see decent subjects free from tuition fees, things that we need more of! The idea that the tax payer should pay so that **** loads of kids can put off getting a job by studying sports science (seriously, how many sports scientists do we need) doesn't appeal. If you want to do a degree like that then crack on, but pay for it yourself would be my take on that. Nursing though, we need nurses, make that free.
 
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Conspiracy Theorist said:
I regularly read twitter, the BBC journalist that tweet the news - or a version of the 'news' is that it tends not to favour Labour in the grand scheme of reporting - I agree it's possible my left leaning 'bias' will help me to see it that way - as indeed your 'partiality' towards your political stance may do the same. Overall, I wouldn't be surprised that if you ran a search with the words 'BBC and impartiality' on Twitter the trend would favour the Tory news propaganda machine.

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Due to the demographic of its users, Twitter tends to be fairly left leaning. Obviously there are other factions on there but I believe there is general trend in that direction. The BBC are quite widely acknowledged as being left of centre- if you think of people in the media, they tend to be metropolitan, liberal types. I believe there are one or two (possibly former) serious BBC journalists and news correspondents who are on record as saying that they felt that the corporation leant too far to the left.
That's from a centrist viewpoint.
 
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FTM Dave said:
Do you honestly think the trains, for example, are better run under this privatised split-up system than they were under British Rail?

I know British Rail were pretty crap, but since privatisation the "service" has become total ****e and fares have gone through the roof.
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I stand by my comment and can remember the 'service' offered by British Rail, the GPO et al very well, along with the under investment and appalling management in all of the State owned concerns.
 
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old lads fan said:
Hear Hear, if anyone is in any doubt that a Johnson right wing government will put the needs of the ordinary working people and the less able to provide for themselves before the interests of big business then this they just need to look across the Atlantic and see what a right wing government actually looks like.
Climate Change denial as an official policy. The withdrawal from the Paris Agreement. As an example the use of coal reserves when most western countries are moving away from using coal as a power source.
Repeated attempts to repeal the Affordable Care Act (Obama Care). The Republican Party is financed by private healthcare.
Tax reforms designed to benefit the wealthy at the cost of the poorer in society. Substantial cuts for higher income taxpayers and corporations.
Massive increases in Defence spending thereby forcing reductions in spending on programs to help the less well off. The real poor, the people with no hope. Current costed spending for 2019 is 700billion Dollars.
The big Pharma companies lobbying US government to artificially keep medicine prices high to the benefit of the drug manufacturers rather than patients.
The cost of this lobbying was $3.4 billion in 2018, that is $3.4 billion spent to keep prices inflated and markets protected, this is why healthcare costs in the US are so high.
These are just a few policies which go against the interests of ordinary people.
We have never had a proper far right wing Governing Party in the UK before, I believe Johnson, Gove and Rees-Mogg and their like will take us down that road post Brexit. And not to mention the PM's attempt to silence Parliament, that is a very dangerous road to go down.
Vote for them if you don't value any form of fairness and equality.
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You have to remember though that the whole of the US is generally positioned further to the right than the UK. They have their pockets of liberalism on the west coast and parts of the east but much of the place is very conservative. I don't think there's any reason to believe that we would have government like Trump's administration.
 
Anybody else not suspicious about that child with 'suspected' pneumonia, lying on a cold hospital floor just a few days before an election?

I mean, if my child was that ill so I lay him down on a cold floor and whipped my phone out to take a few snaps so they could go viral on the internet, I believe my other half would take my bloody head off.

Seats were available, at the time. It's been confirmed. Surely he could have lay across the seats, or hey, here's an idea, maybe the parents could have sat down and cuddled him in their arms.

No, in that situation it is always better to lay the child on a cold floor, take some snaps and send them to the media and viral around social media, of course.

Shameful.
 
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Dr Yvette Oade, chief medical officer at Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, said: "Our hospitals are extremely busy at the moment and we are very sorry that Jack's family had a long wait in our emergency department.

"We are extremely sorry that there were only chairs available in the treatment room, and no bed. This falls below our usual high standards, and for this we would like to sincerely apologise to Jack and his family."


Chairs? Don't be silly, there's a nice cold floor where we can lay him. That will be great for his suspected pneumonia, and oh, a photo opportunity.
 
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safc-noggieland said:
Mr dear class of 73
Ask yourself one serious question please,
How many mill/billionairs contribute to Putins so called stooge JC. . . and how many plough in tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds to the Tories.
This is a factual matter of record as donations must be recorded & published.
Appears to be some slip in your logic here - who is pulling whos strings - follow the money as the FBI like to say. :emoticon-0164-cash::emoticon-0164-cash::emoticon-0164-cash:
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all the oil garcs gas garcs and mineral garcs these more billions than ever contribute to the tories
 
Chunksafc said:
Is it? When we sell off the NHS through the back door of increasing drug costs until its unsustainable and people need health insurance for basic treatments like insulin?

A free point of care service, that thousands of people are proud to work in and support about to be sold off through stealth and ignorance.
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bollocks propaganda hogwash
 
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Conspiracy Theorist said:
The amount for free Uni education is not far off the amount that the Tories gave the DUP for propping them up and the wasted money spent on Brexit
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not as bad as Blair the witch giving 13 billion to overseas aid and set to rise to 17 billion . look after our own first, we stop that and the 40 billion the EU costs us and we are rolling in it
 
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