Off Topic 2019 GE

[rooch 3]

Corbyn is not Blair. If you think he is, you don't know anything about the two people.

And yet here's the reality - that Blair government did amazing things for me and my aspirations, got me to university and allowed me to set up a company that I now run, and I'm far from alone, my generation had more opportunities than the current younger generations, and god knows about the bairns of today. The only thing it didn't do was tax the richest elements of society more to cover some of the cost of their deregulation. In a way, the UK being hit by a once in a century economic implosion compounded that.

Debt is necessary for this country to maintain a level of infrastructure at time sadly. This was primarily because our governments for many years under-funded public spending and led to a poor logistical platform. Labour spent more in the early 00s because it had to, we were becoming a third world country under the Tories who had opened up the market, but allowed cynical exploitation of those at the bottom with no safety net or attempt to use public spending to invest in our country's infrastructure.

So yeah, I think it's fine the Tories have ran up some debt, but they have done it at the expense of normal people and refused to tax their rich allies. They have cut spending on things that have a real impact on people and communities in favour of tax breaks and loopholes. I don't want that society on any level, and there is frankly only one person, however idealistic he is, offering any real change for the country.

I can't sign up to 5 years of Boris, a morally bankrupt charlatan who has abused power at every turn in his career, being given free reign to enact his corruption at the highest level. **** that.

Why would I think Corbyn is Blair Blair hasn’t got a beard

 

[clockstander]

Its not about Farage but whats best for Britain

Thats true, but no one knows whats best for Britain for certain. The common market was fine and should have been left at that. The future I would have taken would to have included Russia, Turkey and the Middle East in it but I'm a bit of a dreamer.

 

[Class of 73]

What a sorry, sorry mess this country is in. We are like puppets to the extremist politicians of both sides, whilst staring at the politicians in the middle ground, asking WTF?

Maybe the election should be postponed and we have another vote, with the options:
Leave with a deal
Leave without a deal (added together with ‘leave with a deal’ & highest vote leads) to confirm the country wants to leave)
Stay in Europe

Honor that vote......yeh, whatever, lol. Then start the election, but sack each and every of the 650 present MPs (along with their cohorts) and do not ever let them stand for re-election again. Well, they have all led us a merry dance, let’s see them go out back to work.
Chaos would follow, obviously.......so no change then really.........when was the UK’s last military coup?....lol

 

[Kittenmittons]

We are like puppets to the extremist politicians of both sides

sack each and every of the 650 present MPs (along with their cohorts) and do not ever let them stand for re-election again. Well, they have all led us a merry dance, let’s see them go out back to work.
Chaos would follow, obviously.......so no change then really.........when was the UK’s last military coup?....lol

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[Class of 73]

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Lol, I was only asking...tongue-in-cheek, like

 

[monty987]

what happened to the monster raving loony party ?

 

[Jerry lee]

what happened to the monster raving loony party ?

Became the brexit party

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Monster_Raving_Loony_Party

 

[marcusblackcat]

Ive never fully understood the repercussions of the NHS suddenly ending. Havnt a clue of the figures but lets say I pay £100 a month towards the NHS. If the NHS folded would it not basically mean that I would now just have to pay £100 a month towards Private Health care? Is it only the people who dont contribute towards the NHS, but use it, that will suffer if it collapsed?

I’m type 1 diabetic (not self inflicted but since I was 2). If the NHS goes I will be up **** creak health wise (let alone taking into account that I also work fir the NHS!)

 

[Makemstine Roger]

I’m type 1 diabetic (not self inflicted but since I was 2). If the NHS goes I will be up **** creak health wise (let alone taking into account that I also work fir the NHS!)

all of europe america canada are private in fact i don't know of another country who have a NHS, ours is being abused too much

 

[Kittenmittons]

all of europe america canada are private in fact i don't know of another country who have a NHS, ours is being abused too much

You know how much it costs people with diabetes and how rife that system is for abuse?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/...ncrease-in-a-drugs-price-raises-protests.html

 

[Sunderpitt]

all of europe america canada are private in fact i don't know of another country who have a NHS, ours is being abused too much

I am not alone in being alive because of the NHS.

How the health service is paid for, including mental health and social (old age provision) is something politicians dodge. Undoubtedly the bulk of it should be from general taxation, with billionaires and the big companies paying little tax has to change. But despite what Corbyn says to increase funding significantly means increases in taxes for all and perhaps older people selling their homes..

Some honesty is required about funding all govt spending. However expecting politicians to be honest...about raising taxes?

 

[Kittenmittons]

I am not alone in being alive because of the NHS.

How the health service is paid for, including mental health and social (old age provision) is something politicians dodge. Undoubtedly the bulk of it should be from general taxation, with billionaires and the big companies paying little tax has to change. But despite what Corbyn says to increase funding significantly means increases in taxes for all and perhaps older people selling their homes..

Some honesty is required about funding all govt spending. However expecting politicians to be honest...about raising taxes?

But for some reason we are all up in arms about the super rich being taxed more, despite it clearly being of benefit. People are making excuses for tax dodging by huge firms that could pay their real tax x100 and never feel the pinch. Instead they're paying 1% of the tax they should and we are arguing about how much will be passed on to us as tax.

It's pretty clear how Corbyn plans to fund this, and it ain't by taxing us more, it's by taxing the people at the ludicrous levels of wealth who use offshore shenanigans to avoid it.

 

[Kittenmittons]

For those who want privatisation, do think about this:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/the-valeant-meltdown-and-wall-streets-major-drug-problem

The sisters began taking Syprine in 1987. Their symptoms went away, and they both went on to highly successful careers, N as a public-relations executive and K in the wealth-management division of a major investment firm. Their insurance covered the cost of the drug, which wasn’t much because Syprine is simple to make. The sisters were vaguely aware that, in the latter part of the aughts, their co-pays, originally next to nothing, had started to climb, but health insurance still insulated them from the realities of drug pricing.


That is, until it didn’t, in 2014, when N went to her local Walgreens to pick up her lifesaving supply of Syprine—and found that her insurance company had denied coverage on the grounds that the drug was too expensive. Shocked, she asked the pharmacist the cost. She remembers him saying it had risen to around $20,000 for a month’s supply. She eventually managed to get coverage—after all, treating her for liver failure would have been more expensive—but the co-pays have continued to climb. She and K now pay $500 and $400, respectively, for a three-month supply.

Syprine, which can be had for $1 a pill in some countries, now has a list price of around $300,000 for a year’s supply in the United States; Cuprimine has seen a similar price increase. There is no generic version of either, in part because of a huge backlog for new drug approvals at the F.D.A.

Both sisters have done well financially, but their health insurance in retirement is uncertain, and they are terrified about the consequences if their co-pays eventually get calculated as a percentage of a drug’s total cost, the likelihood of which is “1,000 percent,” according to Art Caplan, the head of the medical-ethics division at New York University. “I have advantages, but I can’t fix this,” says K. “You are at the mercy of this abhorrent system.”

Just think about that. You could be doing really well in life, and this absolutely corrupt system will ruin your entire life because you're unlucky enough to fall ill. How anyone can be blase about it is mental.

 

[HeatonMackem]

But for some reason we are all up in arms about the super rich being taxed more, despite it clearly being of benefit. People are making excuses for tax dodging by huge firms that could pay their real tax x100 and never feel the pinch. Instead they're paying 1% of the tax they should and we are arguing about how much will be passed on to us as tax.

It's pretty clear how Corbyn plans to fund this, and it ain't by taxing us more, it's by taxing the people at the ludicrous levels of wealth who use offshore shenanigans to avoid it.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money... because the richest people in the UK will move offshore to avoid it.

 

[Comfy]

You know how much it costs people with diabetes and how rife that system is for abuse?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/...ncrease-in-a-drugs-price-raises-protests.html

I’ve got type 2 diabetes and it costs me nowt, in fact I’m better off as I get every medicine for any ailment free as you get free prescriptions plus I also get free eye tests, If this is any different for type 1 then I apologise in advance as I don’t know what happens with their medicines but I cannot see it being any different. Kinds of puts your argument to bed

 

[Kittenmittons]

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money... because the richest people in the UK will move offshore to avoid it.

That type of soundbite is ridiculous. Corbyn is barely able to enact any form of realistic socialism given the constraints around him.

The problem is that people make excuses for people like Philip Green, who wants all the perks of living and working in the UK without paying the tax, and look at the way he ****ed over workers. There are people who will take his place if he leaves and actually goes to 'live' with his 'wife' in Monaco. The reality is he's been gaming the system for decades and he paid us back by shafting ordinary people en masse. It'll happen against soon too, with Topshop.

 

[Kittenmittons]

I’ve got type 2 diabetes and it costs me nowt, in fact I’m better off as I get every medicine for any ailment free as you get free prescriptions plus I also get free eye tests, If this is any different for type 1 then I apologise in advance as I don’t know what happens with their medicines but I cannot see it being any different. Kinds of puts your argument to bed

Where do you live?

 

[Comfy]

Where do you live?

South Yorkshire

 

[Kittenmittons]

South Yorkshire

The post was about the US sorry, the NHS is incredible, yeah we pay tax, but it's naive to think we'd pay less tax if they abolished the NHS and made us all go private. More likely we'd slowly find the NHS phased out and privatised on the sly, partial insurance etc while we paid the same amount of tax, until one day we had the absolute scam of healthcare US style.

 

[Comfy]

The post was about the US sorry, the NHS is incredible, yeah we pay tax, but it's naive to think we'd pay less tax if they abolished the NHS and made us all go private. More likely we'd slowly find the NHS phased out and privatised on the sly, partial insurance etc while we paid the same amount of tax, until one day we had the absolute scam of healthcare US style.

Ok I never realised we were talking about USA with it being about 2019 GE.