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Monk had a full week rest for his returning players from injury and started off with Cardiff Stoke. Laudrup actually tried against Everton, Monks teamagainst Everton --lol . Monk had a full squad almost. Laudrup had not even half his starters. To ssy Laudrup had it easier is foolishness , really
 
roofjack_22 said:
Monk had a full week rest for his returning players from injury and started off with Cardiff Stoke. Laudrup actually tried against Everton, Monks teamagainst Everton --lol . Monk had a full squad almost. Laudrup had not even half his starters. To ssy Laudrup had it easier is foolishness , really
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And Monk tried against Liverpool, given how we were only playing Bradford the following week, I never read the same fuss. Of course Monks games have been harder than the January run in.
 
If you don't mind valley , I would like you to end my account please. Good luck to most , good riddance to some .
 
LIBERTARIAN said:
??? Leaving,because people disagree with you? Surely not.
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I hope not Vetch, although there are people disagreeing with each other regarding Monk and Laudrup ect at the moment, it's been an interesting topic to debate and read.
 
ValleyGraduate12 said:
Fully disagree. The run of games Monk has had were much tougher than the January run that Laudrup had, I.e. Stoke away much harder team than WHU, Napoli x 2 much better than United, Everton/ Tottenham on par, and we nearly drew with a Liverpool side that had just thumped Arsenal and Everton, not to mention the pressure of the derby match, all within a shorter time period too.
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You really think that?

We played Everton, Chelsea, Utd x2, City and Spurs during Laudrup's last 10 games.
 
Monty Fisto said:
You really think that?

We played Everton, Chelsea, Utd x2, City and Spurs during Laudrup's last 10 games.
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Given the positions and form in the table at the time yes. As I say Everton, Napoli x 2 and Liverpool back to back is a harder run in my opinion as we played these all within a 12 day period.
 
plasticfan said:
4 league matches under Monk so far...

Home - 1 win, 1 draw
Away -1 draw, 1 loss (came close to drawing with this year's potential PL champions)

Europa - 12 mins away from getting passed Napoli, who were in Champions League and only just failed to qualify for knockout stages.

FA Cup - should have done better

I think most bottom half teams, and some nearer the top, would be more than happy with those sorts of results.

What did the Monk-haters expect, that we'd get 7 straight wins?

The Monk-haters seem like the sort who aren't happy unless they support a team with a "famous" manager. It doesn't matter how crap that manager is as long as most people have heard of him.
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24 League games under ML...

Home
- 3 win = Sunderland, Newcastle, Fulham
- 4 draw = Liverpool, West Ham, Stoke, Hull
- 5 loss = Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton, Man City, Spurs

Away
- 3 win = West Brom, Palace, Fulham
- 2 draw = Norwich, Aston Villa
- 7 loss = Spurs, Southampton, Cardiff, Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, West Ham

This season against the top half (10 teams) Home = 1 win, 2 draw, 5 loss / Away = 0 win, 0 draw, 6 loss
This season against the bottom half (9 teams) Home = 2 win, 2 draw, 0 loss / Away = 3 win, 2 draw, 1 loss

Against top half teams = 5/24 points at home = 20.8% 0/18 points away = 0%
Against bottom half teams = 8/12 points at home = 66.6% 11/18 points away = 61.1%

Now based on those averages. At seasons end, ML could have had......drum roll please........

Top half teams Home = 10 at 20.8% = 6 points
Top half teams Away = 10 at 0% = 0 points

Bottom half teams Home = 9 at 66.6% = 18 points
Bottom half teams Away = 9 at 61.1% = 16 points

So on average, ML was on course to get us 40 points.

Monk on the other hand

Against top half teams = 0/0 points at home = 0% 0/3 points away = 0%
Against bottom half teams = 4/6 points at home = 66.6% 1/3 points away = 33.3%

Now based on those averages. At seasons end, GM could have had......drum roll please........

Top half teams Home = 10 at 0% = 0 points
Top half teams Away = 10 at 0% = 0 points

Bottom half teams Home = 9 at 66.6% = 18 points
Bottom half teams Away = 9 at 33.3% = 9 points

So on average, GM is on course to get us 25 points.

Granted hard to judge properly just yet, but those claiming we are already better off are smoking something. And as much as you want to pretend our fortunes have changed, the stats back up that so far its got worse. GM's results against lower clubs are already worse than ML's, ML played 10 games against bottom half, of which 6 were away. ML played 14 against top half, of which 8 were home. So a horrible set of fixtures. Yet your blowing kisses up Monks arse for getting a worse point return rate on the manager you think we rightfully sacked. Beggars belief.
 
ValleyGraduate12 said:
Given the positions and form in the table at the time yes. As I say Everton, Napoli x 2 and Liverpool back to back is a harder run in my opinion as we played these all within a 12 day period.
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22 DEC Everton (H)
26 DEC Chelsea (A)
28 DEC Aston Villa (A)
1 JAN Man City (H)
5 JAN Man Utd (A)

5 Tough games in a period of 14 days, not to mention Christmas and the new year in that too, which also counts as a busy time ;)

After all, they are also in his last 10 games ;) Whilst having a flurry of injuries to deal with.
 
ValleyGraduate12 said:
I hope not Vetch, although there are people disagreeing with each other regarding Monk and Laudrup ect at the moment, it's been an interesting topic to debate and read.
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It's certainly split the Forum,Valley,but hardly worth leaving over. Ah well,nowt as queer as folk.
 
swanselona said:
24 League games under ML...

Home
- 3 win = Sunderland, Newcastle, Fulham
- 4 draw = Liverpool, West Ham, Stoke, Hull
- 5 loss = Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton, Man City, Spurs

Away
- 3 win = West Brom, Palace, Fulham
- 2 draw = Norwich, Aston Villa
- 7 loss = Spurs, Southampton, Cardiff, Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, West Ham

This season against the top half (10 teams) Home = 1 win, 2 draw, 5 loss / Away = 0 win, 0 draw, 6 loss
This season against the bottom half (9 teams) Home = 2 win, 2 draw, 0 loss / Away = 3 win, 2 draw, 1 loss

Against top half teams = 5/24 points at home = 20.8% 0/18 points away = 0%
Against bottom half teams = 8/12 points at home = 66.6% 11/18 points away = 61.1%

Now based on those averages. At seasons end, ML could have had......drum roll please........

Top half teams Home = 10 at 20.8% = 6 points
Top half teams Away = 10 at 0% = 0 points

Bottom half teams Home = 9 at 66.6% = 18 points
Bottom half teams Away = 9 at 61.1% = 16 points

So on average, ML was on course to get us 40 points.

Monk on the other hand

Against top half teams = 0/0 points at home = 0% 0/3 points away = 0%
Against bottom half teams = 4/6 points at home = 66.6% 1/3 points away = 33.3%

Now based on those averages. At seasons end, GM could have had......drum roll please........

Top half teams Home = 10 at 0% = 0 points
Top half teams Away = 10 at 0% = 0 points

Bottom half teams Home = 9 at 66.6% = 18 points
Bottom half teams Away = 9 at 33.3% = 9 points

So on average, GM is on course to get us 25 points.

Granted hard to judge properly just yet, but those claiming we are already better off are smoking something. And as much as you want to pretend our fortunes have changed, the stats back up that so far its got worse. GM's results against lower clubs are already worse than ML's, ML played 10 games against bottom half, of which 6 were away. ML played 14 against top half, of which 8 were home. So a horrible set of fixtures. Yet your blowing kisses up Monks arse for getting a worse point return rate on the manager you think we rightfully sacked. Beggars belief.
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Cracking post fair play <ok>
 
swanselona said:
Monk on the other hand

Against top half teams = 0/0 points at home = 0% 0/3 points away = 0%
Against bottom half teams = 4/6 points at home = 66.6% 1/3 points away = 33.3%

Now based on those averages. At seasons end, GM could have had......drum roll please........

Top half teams Home = 10 at 0% = 0 points
Top half teams Away = 10 at 0% = 0 points

Bottom half teams Home = 9 at 66.6% = 18 points
Bottom half teams Away = 9 at 33.3% = 9 points

So on average, GM is on course to get us 25 points.
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Extrapolation is a dangerous statistical technique, Swansalona, as I'm sure you're aware (maybe)
 
aswan_dam said:
Extrapolation is a dangerous statistical technique, Swansalona, as I'm sure you're aware (maybe)
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I did say its hard to judge properly just yet, but can still use it against those who are claiming we are better off already, as they are using unbeaten against lower clubs as if ML was any different.
 
swanselona said:
24 League games under ML...

Home
- 3 win = Sunderland, Newcastle, Fulham
- 4 draw = Liverpool, West Ham, Stoke, Hull
- 5 loss = Man Utd, Arsenal, Everton, Man City, Spurs

Away
- 3 win = West Brom, Palace, Fulham
- 2 draw = Norwich, Aston Villa
- 7 loss = Spurs, Southampton, Cardiff, Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd, West Ham

This season against the top half (10 teams) Home = 1 win, 2 draw, 5 loss / Away = 0 win, 0 draw, 6 loss
This season against the bottom half (9 teams) Home = 2 win, 2 draw, 0 loss / Away = 3 win, 2 draw, 1 loss

Against top half teams = 5/24 points at home = 20.8% 0/18 points away = 0%
Against bottom half teams = 8/12 points at home = 66.6% 11/18 points away = 61.1%

Now based on those averages. At seasons end, ML could have had......drum roll please........

Top half teams Home = 10 at 20.8% = 6 points
Top half teams Away = 10 at 0% = 0 points

Bottom half teams Home = 9 at 66.6% = 18 points
Bottom half teams Away = 9 at 61.1% = 16 points

So on average, ML was on course to get us 40 points.

Monk on the other hand

Against top half teams = 0/0 points at home = 0% 0/3 points away = 0%
Against bottom half teams = 4/6 points at home = 66.6% 1/3 points away = 33.3%

Now based on those averages. At seasons end, GM could have had......drum roll please........

Top half teams Home = 10 at 0% = 0 points
Top half teams Away = 10 at 0% = 0 points

Bottom half teams Home = 9 at 66.6% = 18 points
Bottom half teams Away = 9 at 33.3% = 9 points

So on average, GM is on course to get us 25 points.

Granted hard to judge properly just yet, but those claiming we are already better off are smoking something. And as much as you want to pretend our fortunes have changed, the stats back up that so far its got worse. GM's results against lower clubs are already worse than ML's, ML played 10 games against bottom half, of which 6 were away. ML played 14 against top half, of which 8 were home. So a horrible set of fixtures. Yet your blowing kisses up Monks arse for getting a worse point return rate on the manager you think we rightfully sacked. Beggars belief.
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Very good post<ok>

Was just taking to a mate about this sort of review, especially as I've seen some posts on here saying we have 4 points out of 9 under monk....and dismissing the Liverpool game because they are not our rivals for survival. This sort of leniency would never be allowed by the same people when judging ML. Your analysis above at least takes a fairly balanced and logical view, and you admit to it not being perfect, which is fair enough.
 
aswan_dam said:
Extrapolation is a dangerous statistical technique, Swansalona, as I'm sure you're aware (maybe)
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Absolutely, how many league games has Monk played? how many has he lost? Will he have the benefit of Michu soon? what will be the variable effect of the current break? Have we hit our best form yet? One thing I do know though, and that is we are not going down now, and that's all I'm interested in, this will not be a season I will forget in a hurry!................<ok>






PS: Have you factored in yet swanselona 'Monks Twins' into you theorem?.................<laugh>
 
DragonPhilljack said:
Absolutely, how many league games has Monk played? how many has he lost? Will he have the benefit of Michu soon? what will be the variable effect of the current break? Have we hit our best form yet? One thing I do know though, and that is we are not going down now, and that's all I'm interested in, this will not be a season I will forget in a hurry!................<ok>

Bold prediction Phil. Hope you are right, especially as teams right below have games in hand. If results go their way we are only one point off relegation.

If we fail to take 3 from West Brom it will be very tough for us. We will then have Everton and Arsenal away, which I don't hold out much hope for right now, followed by the 7 final games, none of which will be walk overs. Squeaky bum time approaching!
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