The Benteke Conundrum

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BrunelGooner said:
But football is played over 90 minutes and there are other factors to take into account. Poor decisions happen. If it doesn't go your way, you get on with it and we had time. Such as the fact that we 75% of the game left to try and win it, which we didn't do.



Of course you do. It's totally unlike you to blame the officials for our results and not the team or the manager...

The referee does have an influence on the game. But if the players are good enough, and ours are, we should have enough in the locker over 90 minutes to get a result. What games can you complain about that we've lost points in this season due to an official's bad decision? Better yet - what games have we dropped points in this season that we haven't deserved to win on the balance of play? And what about the games we've won due to officials bad decisions or due to inept team performances yet being lucky enough to get a win? It works both ways.



Actually, this is wrong. I waded into a conversation where you were discussing the Arsenal-Liverpool game and I felt your assessment was not entirely correct. Am I not entitled to do so?



This is assuming that all the factors of the game would have gone the same way. It may have, but equally, it may not have.
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@Paragraoh1 - I don't see how what your saying doesn't fit with what I've said, your arguing for the sake of arguing. Nothing your saying is in contradiction to me saying we would have won if the goal stood. Yes there was still the rest of the game to play, but that doesnt all of a sudden mean there wasn't a disallowed goal.

@Paragraph2 - feel free to go and find a single example outside of this thread of me blaming the ref for our results. More rubbish from you. There are a few people who refuse to have anything said on match threads about the officials without having a meltdown and accusing whoever mentioned the ref of making excuses for the team. The two things aren't mutually exclusive, you can both complain about a ref and think a result is down to a poor performance from the team. Posters like you and Cini seem to struggle with that concept.

As for your general point about these things working themselves out over a season - that's a tired cliche and clearly isn't correct. It's an absolute statistical nonsense to think ref decisions will even themselves out fairly over the course of a season, total nonsense. However I completely agree that over a course of a season we will have results both go our way and not go our way down to ref decisions.

@paragraph3 - Actually it's correct, myself and Gerrez had chucked a couple of "should have" type banter comments at each other clearly trying to wind each other up, the conversation had moved on prior to your comments. It was just a nice light hearted conversation until you arrived <laugh> But yes, you are fully entitled to your opinion and more than welcome to air it :) Funnily enough, posting that comment on the Liverpool board I had expected to get some disagreement :p

@yourfinalline - so you agree, I didn't actually relate the ref performance and the team performance in any way and you were wrong to suggest I had. Thank you.
 
BrunelGooner said:
Don't criticise my grammar when you can't get yours right, then. As for my usual condescending tone with you, what absolute nonsense. I don't speak to you on here in a condescending tone. With other posters on the Arsenal board, sometimes I do when I think they're talking absolute bollocks. But I don't think this applies to you.
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Fair enough <ok>

P.s. See what I did there?
 
afcftw said:
@Paragraoh1 - I don't see how what your saying doesn't fit with what I've said, your arguing for the sake of arguing. Nothing your saying is in contradiction to me saying we would have won if the goal stood. Yes there was still the rest of the game to play, but that doesnt all of a sudden mean there wasn't a disallowed goal.

@Paragraph2 - feel free to go and find a single example outside of this thread of me blaming the ref for our results. More rubbish from you. There are a few people who refuse to have anything said on match threads about the officials without having a meltdown and accusing whoever mentioned the ref of making excuses for the team. The two things aren't mutually exclusive, you can both complain about a ref and think a result is down to a poor performance from the team. Posters like you and Cini seem to struggle with that concept.

As for your general point about these things working themselves out over a season - that's a tired cliche and clearly isn't correct. It's an absolute statistical nonsense to think ref decisions will even themselves out fairly over the course of a season, total nonsense. However I completely agree that over a course of a season we will have results both go our way and not go our way down to ref decisions.

@paragraph3 - Actually it's correct, myself and Gerrez had chucked a couple of "should have" type banter comments at each other clearly trying to wind each other up, the conversation had moved on prior to your comments. It was just a nice light hearted conversation until you arrived <laugh> But yes, you are fully entitled to your opinion and more than welcome to air it :) Funnily enough, posting that comment on the Liverpool board I had expected to get some disagreement :p

@yourfinalline - so you agree, I didn't actually relate the ref performance and the team performance in any way and you were wrong to suggest I had. Thank you.
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afcftw said:
@Paragraoh1 - I don't see how what your saying doesn't fit with what I've said, your arguing for the sake of arguing. Nothing your saying is in contradiction to me saying we would have won if the goal stood. Yes there was still the rest of the game to play, but that doesnt all of a sudden mean there wasn't a disallowed goal.

@Paragraph2 - feel free to go and find a single example outside of this thread of me blaming the ref for our results. More rubbish from you. There are a few people who refuse to have anything said on match threads about the officials without having a meltdown and accusing whoever mentioned the ref of making excuses for the team. The two things aren't mutually exclusive, you can both complain about a ref and think a result is down to a poor performance from the team. Posters like you and Cini seem to struggle with that concept.

As for your general point about these things working themselves out over a season - that's a tired cliche and clearly isn't correct. It's an absolute statistical nonsense to think ref decisions will even themselves out fairly over the course of a season, total nonsense. However I completely agree that over a course of a season we will have results both go our way and not go our way down to ref decisions.

@paragraph3 - Actually it's correct, myself and Gerrez had chucked a couple of "should have" type banter comments at each other clearly trying to wind each other up, the conversation had moved on prior to your comments. It was just a nice light hearted conversation until you arrived <laugh> But yes, you are fully entitled to your opinion and more than welcome to air it :) Funnily enough, posting that comment on the Liverpool board I had expected to get some disagreement :p

@yourfinalline - so you agree, I didn't actually relate the ref performance and the team performance in any way and you were wrong to suggest I had. Thank you.
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I've read all of this and there's no purpose in me posting a lengthy reply back because we're going to go round in circles. Nothing that you've written has made me feel like I need to reply back to this without making the same points I've already made. Personally, I don't feel like you've adequately addressed my posts, but I suppose you would say the same about me.

All I'm going to say is you have a different view on footballing matters to me.
 
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Tobes said:
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I feel left out with you, sisu and Astro taking all the long, meaningless conversations on... I haven't had a pedantic, long winded, pointless discussion on the Liverpool board for a while :p
 
afcftw said:
I feel left out with you, sisu and Astro taking all the long, meaningless conversations on... I haven't had a pedantic, long winded, pointless discussion on the Liverpool board for a while :p
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Get yourself over to the Science thread, there's ****ing loads of them <laugh>
 
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Jimmy Squarefoot said:
Why are gooners arguing here?

Can we get back to the Benteke bashing please?
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not until you say... "I just don't like him and am making up **** to justify an opinion" when you could just say "I'm entitled to my opinion" and leave it at that.

This is the benteke facts make idiots out of those spouting rubbish thread.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
not until you say... "I just don't like him and am making up **** to justify an opinion" when you could just say "I'm entitled to my opinion" and leave it at that.

This is the benteke facts make idiots out of those spouting rubbish thread.
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I don't like him because:

He has no intelligence
Technically limited
No movement
Lazy
Doesn't press

The list above is not made up and deep down ... You know this...It's killing you inside.

Please MITO - the sooner you come to acceptance, the easier it will be for you when he is sold for horse meat in the summer.
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I don't like him because
He has no intelligence
Technically limited
No movement
Lazy
Doesn't press

The list above is not made up and deep down ... You know this...It's killing you inside.

Please MITO - the sooner you come to acceptance, the easier it will be for you when he is sold for horse meat in the summer.
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That's why he's not on the sick with a twanged hamstring.....

Which makes point No.1 appear wrong

:bandit:
 
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When I saw the thread title I thought it was going to be how many words of three letters or more can you make from his name.
Now I see it's yet another thread about football. <doh>
 
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Tobes said:
Not true in the slightest that.

He's scoring all sorts of goals, headers, one on ones from through balls, tap ins, shots from outside and inside the box......you name it.

The fact that Martinez tactics are leaving us too open on the counter, are nothing to do with the efficiency of Lukaku in front of the sticks.

So in short, you're chatting bubbles.
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In the 13 league games Lukaku has scored or assisted in, you have kept a clean sheet in 2 of them (incidentally, in neither of those two games did Lukaku's goals change the result).

Apart from the 2 clean sheets mentioned above, you kept another 3 clean sheets in which Lukaku did **** all.

So it's clear you have a choice between clean sheets and Lukaku scoring, and most of the time when Lukaku scores you don't win anyway.

[HASHTAG]#bangtorights[/HASHTAG]
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I don't like him because:

He has no intelligence
Technically limited
No movement
Lazy
Doesn't press

The list above is not made up and deep down ... You know this...It's killing you inside.

Please MITO - the sooner you come to acceptance, the easier it will be for you when he is sold for horse meat in the summer.
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40% of your complaints are [HASHTAG]#racist[/HASHTAG] and the rest are just wrong
 
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