Is it dejavu with Steve Bruce

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BrisTiger said:
Are we seeing history repeat itself with Mr Bruce. Looking at the current situation, albeit from the land downunder, it appears that Steve is following the same path he trod with previous clubs he managed. He starts off well moulding a good side out of average players but then success breeds overconfidence and the cheque book comes out. This results in disharmony in the ranks with established players either being passed over or bearing resentment because the new players are on more money.

There is no doubt that Steve has the ability to motivate players to play at their best. Notwithstanding this I think that tactically his abilities are short of what is required for top level football. He undoubtedly has achieved great success here at Hull City but even so there has always been niggling doubts about his formations and choice of substitutions during matches.

I know this is contentious but I think that Steve is too much of an old school manager. It seems to me that he thinks he can protect a lead in games by trying to park the bus. To do this you have to be very strong tactically and I don't think this is the case with City. I accept that my views are based on watching City on internet stream but I very rarely get the impression that we have dominated a game.

I hope I'm wrong but I think we are going to struggle this year to the extent that Steve could be replaced by the end of the season. If this did happen and he was replaced with a more tactically proficient manager I think that with the playing personnel that we have we would be a much better side.

I am now leaving for the bunker
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Poodle
 
cant be sentimental, and stay in the past, need to change don't we? bruce out, could get us into the top 5 it could
 
Mr. Hat said:
Bringing off attackers and piling on defenders is the worst way to defend a lead IMO as it completely relieves pressure off the opponent and heaps it all on you. Defending from the front is the way to do it and maki get other team be cautious of you hitting them on the break.

But of course Bruce sees things differently and brings off every striker/attacker and lines us up in a 4-6-0 every single time. Then we never touch the ball in the opponents half for the rest of the game.

At one point against Newcastle, when they were chasing the game, their defensive line was actually 10 yards inside OUR half, lined up at the edge of the centre circle. When that happens you know you're doing something really, really ****ing wrong.
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Absolutely bang on, Need strikers up there, to make them have reason, to still defend plus it works best for us as there is always someone to hold the ball up front, which relieves the defenders of another attack, also need to keep possesion . I'm starting to doubt bruces logic, especially if he does this again!
 
Who do you suggest? Guardiola, Mourinho maybe bring Ian 'the brain' Dowie back to solve this unacceptable mid-table problem we have?

When you say top 5 do you mean in the Championship? or top 5 divisions?

Maybe a 'Bruce out' chant in the 20th minute, then Hernandez out cos he's only scored once FFS
 
Nothing to do with Steve Bruce. It all boils down to one thing. A lack of concentration as the clock ticks down.

In saying that, only the Italians have ever been able to kill off a game properly.

Nothing to worry about IF whoever is playing does the basics. Not giving away cheap possession would also help.
 
jayc89 said:
We lost all the games you mentioned because we played ****e. You write as if we have just been unlucky on each occasion.
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****e teams don't take the lead, they get beaten out of sight.
We have been unlucky.
v Stoke with 10 men.
v Newcastle, lucky last throw of the dice by Pardew, disallowed goal by us.
v Lockeren. away goals rule. Dodgy goal keeping mistake at their place.
v WBA, losing 3-2 away from home in injury times isn't a team playing ****e.
v WHU, we were unlucky.
v Villa we were beaten by a better team on the day.
 
If you're going to take your scorers off at least bring Sagbo on. He relieves so much pressure with his hold up play and I honestly think he's the best we have to bring on for seeing out a game we're winning.

It could just be a case of our new look team still gelling but to be honest most conceded goals have been poor defensive errors and we only have two changes at the back so something needs sorting there. It's just not working at the moment but we're scoring 2 goals a game!
 
I'll start worrying if we lose to palace on the 4th(?), but to now we're in a rough patch that everyone gets every now and then. Hopefully we'll finish stronger than last year since we probably won't have a cup run.
 
tigerpants54 said:
Absolutely bang on, Need strikers up there, to make them have reason, to still defend plus it works best for us as there is always someone to hold the ball up front, which relieves the defenders of another attack, also need to keep possesion . I'm starting to doubt bruces logic, especially if he does this again!
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**** off don't you dare agree with me!
 
Polly13 said:
We keep getting long rambling posts from newbies.

Just saying.
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Are these the same newbies who all make the same spelling mistakes, have similar views, are unable to paragraph, can't use capital letters correctly & have poor punctuation skills?
 
SimonTrevittsEars said:
Who do you suggest? Guardiola, Mourinho maybe bring Ian 'the brain' Dowie back to solve this unacceptable mid-table problem we have?

When you say top 5 do you mean in the Championship? or top 5 divisions?

Maybe a 'Bruce out' chant in the 20th minute, then Hernandez out cos he's only scored once FFS
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Hello newbie.
 
Should have seen the game out against newcastle was in total control , bad mistake by Quinny ( and he knew it) West ham are a decent team ask Liverpool again drew due to a poor bit of keeping
Stoke 10 men bad refereeing decision draw.
10th place in the league
A squad of players from which our excellent manager can mould a very decent team
Tough games coming up as in all of them, this is the premier league after all
Signs of panic from the faint hearted.....totally predictable
 
I don't think it's panic from the faint-hearted, just bemusement and frustration that we've gone from one of the best defences in the leqgue to one of the worst at the exact moment we seem to have sorted out our lack of cutting edge at the other end. Its all very well to call it a rough patch but it stretches back to the end of last season. We were lucky to get 3 points at qpr (a battling defensive performance ironically enough) and were outplayed by west ham for long periods of that game, so there are genuine causes for concern. Hopefully Bruce will work out his strongest side soon. And start picking Chester.
 
trouserpress said:
I don't think it's panic from the faint-hearted, just bemusement and frustration that we've gone from one of the best defences in the leqgue to one of the worst at the exact moment we seem to have sorted out our lack of cutting edge at the other end. Its all very well to call it a rough patch but it stretches back to the end of last season. We were lucky to get 3 points at qpr (a battling defensive performance ironically enough) and were outplayed by west ham for long periods of that game, so there are genuine causes for concern. Hopefully Bruce will work out his strongest side soon. And start picking Chester.
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Ok panic is maybe a little strong though people predicting being in the bottom three imminently sounds a little like panic.
I agree it's frustrating all the newcastle fans I have spoken to think we threw it 2 points away, though it was not a defensive error which cost us the first goal it came from a very sloppy pass in centre midfield. I also agree that Chester should play and maybe given the attacking power of man city Bruce will switch to a 3 5 2 formation.
It's hard to put your finger on why we are not seeing games out.
In a way I think the deadline day signing have changed our perceptions and expectations of how city will play. Would we have got HBA or Ramirez if Snodgrass hadn't been injured ? Snodgrass is slower less flamboyant but more solid than either of those two, likewise what would our expectations of the front two have been if we had got Rhodes instead of Hernandez ?
Personally I know what I prefer, oddly if you ask any newcastle supporter for their favourite time in the modern era most would opt for the team of ginola,Beardsley ,Asprilla,Ferdinand,etc great going forward soft at the back. Finding the right balance is what makes great teams and what sets aside great managers from the rest. On paper we have a squad to compete in the upper reaches of the mid table block and to do so playing exciting football not the Pulis stoke brand.
 
I wonder what people expect from City sometimes.

At the start of the season I just hoped we could stay up. By the end of the transfer window I expect we'll stay up (rightly or wrongly). To do that we'll need to average about a point per game over the season. I think the stats say 37 points on average in the PL eara.

We should be expecting to do that by beating the bottom half at home and scratching draws away from home against the same teams. We shouldn't be expecting to get anything at all from the top 5 or 6 and very little from the rest of the top half except maybe an odd draw.

So far we've got 6 from 5 so on track really. After ten games I'd probably expect us to be on 9 for 10 so in about the same position as we head to Burnley at home.

Might we do better? I hope so.
Might we do worse? God I hope not.

At this stage anything could happen but without a doubt I personally think this is the best squad I've seen in Black and Amber and we could be close to doing a bit better than just surviving.

UTT
 
Polly13 said:
Hello newbie.
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All seems very hostile, you two related? I thought all HC supporters could post here?

Obviously I have upset yourself and Ben, which was not my intention. I will check my grammar and punctuation in future and keep my posts to single word responses if it's annoying you? Or how about you just skip my posts if you dont like them?

As a 'Senior member' I would have expected a simple welcome or a heads up if I was doing something wrong on this board. Surely you big enough to just move on if you dont like what your reading?
 
Stockholm Tiger said:
I wonder what people expect from City sometimes.

At the start of the season I just hoped we could stay up. By the end of the transfer window I expect we'll stay up (rightly or wrongly). To do that we'll need to average about a point per game over the season. I think the stats say 37 points on average in the PL eara.

We should be expecting to do that by beating the bottom half at home and scratching draws away from home against the same teams. We shouldn't be expecting to get anything at all from the top 5 or 6 and very little from the rest of the top half except maybe an odd draw.

So far we've got 6 from 5 so on track really. After ten games I'd probably expect us to be on 9 for 10 so in about the same position as we head to Burnley at home.

Might we do better? I hope so.
Might we do worse? God I hope not.

At this stage anything could happen but without a doubt I personally think this is the best squad I've seen in Black and Amber and we could be close to doing a bit better than just surviving.

UTT
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I agree you do want to aim for around a point a game as the low side of survival and yes you might say we're ahead of target at present, however it is the games we've played that in my opinion see us behind target. After 12 games I think we'll be well below the point per game target, maybe only half way there.

SimonTrevittsEars said:
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Good username btw <ok>
 
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