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MrRAWhite:6744541 said:
Wise Men Say........... said:
Does brighten the place up though
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You are an arsehole..
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Unlike yourself, f**kface[/QUOTE]




I'm really not though.

See pretty ****ty stuff and we just use humour to move on. It was obviously just a joke, on need to get all sensitive about it.

If you look at previous post I Know some people who have tried it and we make light of it..... what else are you gonna do, walk on egg shells around them.
It's **** that someone should want to take their own life and shouldn't need to happen.[/QUOTE]



Very enlightening and helpful.[/QUOTE]

i dont think he's an arsehole lads, such a tricky subject, he's really thought it through imo, the thing with suicide is you will never know why[/QUOTE]

Making jokes regarding a local person topping himself just yesterday is pretty insensitive to say the least. As I stated, I was on the bridge when he jumped, so I wasn't in the mood to see the funny side of his comments..[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to apologise for the joke as such for it was only a joke. I'd never of said something like that if I'd actually of meant it, I'm not a fool.

I've possibly become somewhat detached from seeing dead bodies but, on reflection, appreciate that its not the norm and that other people aren't exposed to it.

The joke wasn't aimed at the poor sod who jumped off the bridge but purely the comment about flowers being laid, could've been anywhere and wasn't directed at you or that particular incident
 
Safc83 said:
I've attempted suicide once and had to be revived, not a nice experience. That was before I was diagnosed so I was a bit of a loose cannon at the time and just thought I was a bit of a nutcase. I've got a bit of schizophrenia as well (hence why I was up for attempted murder last year). Since I've been on medication it has levelled me out and I'm a much more calm and level person these days and hope I never go back to the dark days, although it's always around the corner.

When I attempted suicide my mind was telling me that my children would be better off without me and I was nothing but a burden on my family. I genuinely believed that as well, it was awful.
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May I ask fella, did your suicide attempt lead to your diagnosis? It did with me.

On depakote now by the way. :(
 
The Funkadelic Phallus said:
May I ask fella, did your suicide attempt lead to your diagnosis? It did with me.

On depakote now by the way. :(
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No, it didn't. Was no fault of the authority's though, it was all down to me. At the time I couldn't be told or reasoned with and shamefully thought that talking about what I was going through with Doctors was a sign of weakness and expected to be ridiculed about it from my mates. Of course I was wrong and now wish I had of got the help years ago. It really does help speaking with professionals.

What's the new meds mate? I've never come across them before, the docs keep me on anti-psychotic stuff like Quetiapine and Olanzapine.
 
Safc83 said:
No, it didn't. Was no fault of the authority's though, it was all down to me. At the time I couldn't be told or reasoned with and shamefully thought that talking about what I was going through with Doctors was a sign of weakness and expected to be ridiculed about it from my mates. Of course I was wrong and now wish I had of got the help years ago. It really does help speaking with professionals.

What's the new meds mate? I've never come across them before, the docs keep me on anti-psychotic stuff like Quetiapine and Olanzapine.
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it's a slow release sodium based mood stabiliser.

Yeah got my diagnosis from the attempt. Was my second time admitted though. First time I was admitted (for strange behaviours from rapid cycling) I fought it like ****, could of got a diagnosis sooner but was just having non of it. My crying family made me play ball 2nd time in there.

Oh Olanzapine by the way is some wicked gear.
 
The Funkadelic Phallus said:
it's a slow release sodium based mood stabiliser.

Yeah got my diagnosis from the attempt. Was my second time admitted though. First time I was admitted (for strange behaviours from rapid cycling) I fought it like ****, could of got a diagnosis sooner but was just having non of it. My crying family made me play ball 2nd time in there.

Oh Olanzapine by the way is some wicked gear.
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Do you have more mania or depression episodes? I'm mainly depression, tbh. Love it when I'm on a mania though I've got it sussed out and I ride with it. I'm so productive and a likeable person when going through a mania stage, I never want it to end!

I finally got the help when I got completely buckled. I was literally at the point of suicide, mass killing or doing something to get me massive jail. That's how bad it got. I don't think I'll go back to them days again, it was living hell.
 
Safc83 said:
Do you have more mania or depression episodes? I'm mainly depression, tbh. Love it when I'm on a mania though I've got it sussed out and I ride with it. I'm so productive and a likeable person when going through a mania stage, I never want it to end!

I finally got the help when I got completely buckled. I was literally at the point of suicide, mass killing or doing something to get me massive jail. That's how bad it got. I don't think I'll go back to them days again, it was living hell.
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Mostly manic mate. Spend most of my time in hyper mania which isn't as bad as full blown mania, not had a sustained spell of depression for over two years, Have regular spells of mania though, when I drink like that I become quite the danger but yeah it's all fun and games.

I don't intend to stay on my meds, Just with me caring for my lass and her having a lot of depression, me being high and her being low in a small bungalow 24 hours a day, I'm becoming a bit much, especially sexually. I've become quite irritable with my mania too, not a good mix. So yeah me being medicated is giving my lass some much needed peace.
 
i've been on Haloperidol

i have bad aggression and agitation and mood disorders as well as severe anxiety episodes

panic attacks are a frequent part of my life
 
Definitely a lot more common than you'd think as there are 2 successes and a very serious attempt in my family only going back to the grandparents. I think I can understand it because when they are on the bottom (at least the person in my immediate family anyway) they call it depression but in his eyes it looks like absolute terror. I can absolutely understand wanting that feeling to end. Glad it failed but he is still struggling to find his balance, needs to stick with the meds first like.
 
Out of curiosity, where do you lot draw the line at 'suicide'? By definition it means "The act of causing one's own death".

For me, there's so many self-inflicted deaths, I would consider morbidly-obese people to be committing suicide on a certain level, assuming that they end up in the ground as a result of their heart packing in after shovelling copious amounts of unhealthy foods inside them. That's one example, it's overlooked as it's a long term, drawn-out death, but often fat people eat as a 'cry for help' as well. They end up in a downward spiral of depression and over a long period eat themselves to death, it's becoming more and more frequent in the UK as well.
 
Typical_Terry said:
Out of curiosity, where do you lot draw the line at 'suicide'? By definition it means "The act of causing one's own death".

For me, there's so many self-inflicted deaths, I would consider morbidly-obese people to be committing suicide on a certain level, assuming that they end up in the ground as a result of their heart packing in after shovelling copious amounts of unhealthy foods inside them. That's one example, it's overlooked as it's a long term, drawn-out death, but often fat people eat as a 'cry for help' as well. They end up in a downward spiral of depression and over a long period eat themselves to death, it's becoming more and more frequent in the UK as well.
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It's about frame of mind, as far as i'm concerned suidice is the act of consciously giving up on yourself and the world around you and the willingness to say goodbye.

I think there's difference between being and addict and wanting to live and being addicted and wanting it to kill you. Overeating is an addiction (if you haven't seen SuperSize Me I recommend it.) People over eat to feel better and block out unhappiness just like someone would do with booze or heroin. In turn the act they carry out to feel better eventually leads to it's own problem of unhappiness which is the cross roads in addiction, when you no longer get what you previously received from your addiction, that's when you've got two choices, Love yourself enough to pack it in and save yourself, or carry on and die. That's the point for me when substance abuse turns to a long slow attempt at suicide.
 
Schwerer Gustav said:
My late brother, who by strange quirk of fate I referred to earlier today in another post took his own life after finding he was terminally ill and had less than 2 months to live.
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I think 10 years ago I'd have felt exactly like this - now I would think I want to treasure every moment with my family!

Just hope it never happens

My Dad's uncle hung himself - he was a copper in Darlo (I think) for years and they "forced" him to retire and he took his own life a month or so afterwards when he was struggling to find work suitable for him. I wasn't that close to him but My Granda was and it cut him to pieces. It was a similar situation to the Gary Speed one more recently where he loved his job but his ager caught up with him and he went downwards very quickly with very little help from his former employers
 
Allan mcgregor said:
i've been on Haloperidol

i have bad aggression and agitation and mood disorders as well as severe anxiety episodes

panic attacks are a frequent part of my life
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That's an antipsychotic, did taking it eliminate the symptoms of your anxiety? Sometimes medication for symptoms corrects other existing symptoms which is a by product of the symptom the medication is attacking. But at the same time it can cause other symptoms, like anixiety. Did anxiety increase or decrease.

Anxiety is ****, very rarely is it the main problem of a mental illness however the way it presents itself, it tries to convince you that it is the main problem of your illness, what with it being so debilitating. Many a naive uneducated GP will prescribe drugs to attack the anxiety instead of real problem, obviously you're getting meds for the correct symptoms, just wondering how it's effected your anxiety being on the drug, especially as it does nothing directly for your anxiety.
 
The Funkadelic Phallus said:
It's about frame of mind, as far as i'm concerned suidice is the act of consciously giving up on yourself and the world around you and the willingness to say goodbye.

I think there's difference between being and addict and wanting to live and being addicted and wanting it to kill you. Overeating is an addiction (if you haven't seen SuperSize Me I recommend it.) People over eat to feel better and block out unhappiness just like someone would do with booze or heroin. In turn the act they carry out to feel better eventually leads to it's own problem of unhappiness which is the cross roads in addiction, when you no longer get what you previously received from your addiction, that's when you've got two choices, Love yourself enough to pack it in and save yourself, or carry on and die. That's the point for me when substance abuse turns to a long slow attempt at suicide.
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That seems fair Bri, I look at things on more of a chemical level and focus on nutrition predominantly and have a theory directly linking malnutrition to mental health issues. There's no way this country is being educated well enough in what is simply the most important aspect of life, health. We are educated on Pythagoras' theory and cutting and shaping bits of mdf, shakespeare and speaking a foreign language but the information passed on about what to eat is basic and it's even considered a disposable subject after 2/3 years in high-school.

What drives people to over eat is their taste buds really, their body craves (doesn't need though) sugar and salt, remove unnatural sugar from your diet for one week and you'll lose all cravings for sweet unnatural products. The stomach isn't requesting the food, the brain is simply wanting topped up on 'feel good chemicals', so creates a feeling of hunger, that isn't necessary for survival. I have directly linked obesity with laziness for these reasons, not just a physical laziness but also a mental laziness to educate themselves, so I don't really acknowledge it as an addiction.

If the person is depressed and eating subsides their mood then it's a short term fix, the so called 'feel good chemicals' are added to these foods so the consumer eats more of it. The depression is only displaced, not fixed. My theory is that of healthy body, healthy mind, and if people eat naturally and avoid the chemically enhanced foods they'll be at least helping themselves get back on track.

I understand it's a little bit tunnel vision, people are priced out of health food markets and driven to the bad foods, I can't answer that, we live in a country with corrupt food standards, where chemicals such as Aspartame are added to everything and even sold off as a healthy alternative to sugar (Candarel).

Sorry for the long post, tried to keep it as on topic as possible!
 
The Funkadelic Phallus:6745908 said:
Allan mcgregor said:
i've been on Haloperidol

i have bad aggression and agitation and mood disorders as well as severe anxiety episodes

panic attacks are a frequent part of my life
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That's an antipsychotic, did taking it eliminate the symptoms of your anxiety? Sometimes medication for symptoms corrects other existing symptoms which is a by product of the symptom the medication is attacking. But at the same time it can cause other symptoms, like anixiety. Did anxiety increase or decrease.

Anxiety is ****, very rarely is it the main problem of a mental illness however the way it presents itself, it tries to convince you that it is the main problem of your illness, what with it being so debilitating. Many a naive uneducated GP will prescribe drugs to attack the anxiety instead of real problem, obviously you're getting meds for the correct symptoms, just wondering how it's effected your anxiety being on the drug, especially as it does nothing directly for your anxiety.
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im not actually on that medication now, I meant I use to be, it helped, im not as agressive anymore at all, I've subdued a lot, it seemed to control my anxiety but in more of a robotic type way, it seemed to numb me and it was hard to feel emotion

at the moment im just on low dosages kf citalopram which has massively taken the edge of the anxiety, ive only had one panic attack in 2 months now, im not a fan of medication though but this seems to give me no side effects
 
Typical_Terry said:
That seems fair Bri, I look at things on more of a chemical level and focus on nutrition predominantly and have a theory directly linking malnutrition to mental health issues. There's no way this country is being educated well enough in what is simply the most important aspect of life, health. We are educated on Pythagoras' theory and cutting and shaping bits of mdf, shakespeare and speaking a foreign language but the information passed on about what to eat is basic and it's even considered a disposable subject after 2/3 years in high-school.

What drives people to over eat is their taste buds really, their body craves (doesn't need though) sugar and salt, remove unnatural sugar from your diet for one week and you'll lose all cravings for sweet unnatural products. The stomach isn't requesting the food, the brain is simply wanting topped up on 'feel good chemicals', so creates a feeling of hunger, that isn't necessary for survival. I have directly linked obesity with laziness for these reasons, not just a physical laziness but also a mental laziness to educate themselves, so I don't really acknowledge it as an addiction.

If the person is depressed and eating subsides their mood then it's a short term fix, the so called 'feel good chemicals' are added to these foods so the consumer eats more of it. The depression is only displaced, not fixed. My theory is that of healthy body, healthy mind, and if people eat naturally and avoid the chemically enhanced foods they'll be at least helping themselves get back on track.

I understand it's a little bit tunnel vision, people are priced out of health food markets and driven to the bad foods, I can't answer that, we live in a country with corrupt food standards, where chemicals such as Aspartame are added to everything and even sold off as a healthy alternative to sugar (Candarel).

Sorry for the long post, tried to keep it as on topic as possible!
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Have you seen supersize me? It's about a healthy bloke fit bloke, married to a vegan chef who lives a very healthy lifestyle does an experiment where he eats only McDonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner for a month under the guidance of three medical professionals. It's a brilliant Documentary film. It will answer most of your questions, you can get from CEX for 25p
 
eating actually increases dopamine in the brain the 'feel good chemical'

an experiment was done where certain people were blindfolded while eating and ate substantiality less food than those who could see
 
Allan mcgregor said:
im not actually on that medication now, I meant I use to be, it helped, im not as agressive anymore at all, I've subdued a lot, it seemed to control my anxiety but in more of a robotic type way, it seemed to numb me and it was hard to feel emotion

at the moment im just on low dosages kf citalopram which has massively taken the edge of the anxiety, ive only had one panic attack in 2 months now, im not a fan of medication though but this seems to give me no side effects
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That's how I feel on my mood stabilisers, I intend to come off them at the first possible chance but really need to be on them at the moment. I hate Meds but love mania.
 
The Funkadelic Phallus said:
Have you seen supersize me? It's about a healthy bloke fit bloke, married to a vegan chef who lives a very healthy lifestyle does an experiment where he eats only McDonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner for a month under the guidance of three medical professionals. It's a brilliant Documentary film. It will answer most of your questions, you can get from CEX for 25p
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I'm aware of it mate, watched part of it online.

I don't think that everybody will conform to the same rules, others, especially active kids can burn ****ty foods for fun, whilst many just suffer from birth really.

Nobody really gives a ****, I've often wondered if the simple life would be the better alternative. Abroad. Living off life's basics, surely it wouldn't take long to detach from consumerism.
 
Typical_Terry said:
I'm aware of it mate, watched part of it online.

I don't think that everybody will conform to the same rules, others, especially active kids can burn ****ty foods for fun, whilst many just suffer from birth really.

Nobody really gives a ****, I've often wondered if the simple life would be the better alternative. Abroad. Living off life's basics, surely it wouldn't take long to detach from consumerism.
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We're programmed to adapt to the world around us, wouldn't take long at all I wouldn't have thought.
 
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