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Pass Me My Pills What A Start To 2013

  • KIMI RAIKKONEN

    Votes: 4 9.3%

  • FERNANDO ALONSO

    Votes: 24 55.8%

  • SEBASTIAN VETTEL

    Votes: 11 25.6%

  • FELIPE MASSA

    Votes: 1 2.3%

  • LEWIS HAMILTON

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • MARK WEBBER

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • ADRIAN SUTIL

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • PAUL DI RESTA

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • JENSON BUTTON

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • ROMAIN GROSJEAN

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
Obviously people will have different views on the incident and most will be driven by driver preference - which is pretty obvious by some of the comments. What I will say, is that if there is an agreement prior to or during the race about position and that is subsequently ignored or changed to any individuals gain, that is morally and professional wrong. We can jump up and down all we like in relation to who we think is right or wrong and draw on past examples to try and justify our own beliefs (or support our preferred driver) but the fact remains that an agreement is an agreement.

In relation to Merc it would have been interesting to see what they would have done if Button had still been in the race with the pace he was showing?
 
Smithers said:
In relation to Merc it would have been interesting to see what they would have done if Button had still been in the race with the pace he was showing?
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They would have definitely let Rosberg through in my opinion, he stated that 'there is no threat from behind' in justifying the order, If Jenson had still been in the running they would have to have let Nico through to protect the podium position.
 
@F1PitRadio's Radio highlights:

[video=youtube;8xppm9tzXc8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xppm9tzXc8&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Some interesting things on there as always <ok>
 
AbsolutelyGlorious said:
Vettel's race was compromised by the team favouring Webber in the stops and his Kers breaking. If they'd given Vettel preference at the pitstops he'd have rejoined ahead of Hamilton and would've finished about 20 seconds ahead of Webber. Webber was only asked to hold station for 5 laps, unlike the 50 Vettel was aked to today, and Mark didn't ultimately respect the order, he just couldn't get past as he admitted after the race.

Vettel was clearly faster today, but Red Bull seemed hell bent on denying him the win. Ted said early in the second stint that Webber had been asked to save his tyres with assurances that Vettel wouldn't be allowed to attack. Vettel also managed to 17 laps on his first set of options, easily keeping pace with Webber. He could've made a three stopper work but they wouldn't even let him race against the clock and cost him a place to Hamilton.

Vettel deserved the win, he was the quickest guy all weekend and ruthlessly took the win despite his own team doing their best to hold him back. If the roles had been reversed everyone would be sayng good on Webber for knocking the Golden Boy off his pedestal. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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I almost completely disagree. Vettel's race was compromised by himself coming in too early for dry (but he thinks he god, why wouldn't he come in when the lap was drenched?), and most teams have clear regs when it comes to pushing in such situations. Seb had his chances to pass Webber, even though he compromised himself.

The lap Webber set his fastest lap was obviously before he turned down his engine... I don't know why you think he would have turned down his engine when he's coming out of the pits? The red bulls were racing the mercs, who only dropped off seriously a few laps later. I think, had Vettel put in the pace (you think he had? Well he clearly had beggar all pace to pass (despite his little rant), because he couldn't complete the undercut successfully, even with faster pit-stops and fresh tyres) to cruise passed, Vettel would have been allowed the win. He. Did. Not. Have. The. Pace. Red Bull were trying to save both their drivers tyres, and Vettel really doesn't care.

Also, you talk hypocrisy, when you're spouting hypocrisy yourself... 50 laps he'd been compromised for had he(nonsense for a start, because he was at the front for the first few anyway)? Well how about the many YEARS Webber had been compromised for? Yet you keep harping on about hypocrisy and Silverstone 2011... Ironic. I think the feeling of empathy toward Webber and dislike aimed at Vettel is understandable given the entire context of their time together. Whether you agree with that is a different matter.

And it's just a fact Webber turned down the engine on command, every Red Bull chap and their mothers has confirmed it, so I don't understand the persistence with that point. Noticeably Horner baulked when Perry asked if Vettel's was also turned down. <ok>

Vettel is a better driver, usually a faster one too. He wasn't good enough today to pass under normal racing (hence bitching and whining and trying to get Horner to get Webber out of the way), and only did when Webber had compromised himself to fit in with team plans. A completely unworthy winner of the race.
 
Gandalf said:
The lap Webber set his fastest lap was obviously before he turned down his engine... I don't know why you think he would have turned down his engine when he's coming out of the pits?
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So Webber turned his engine down somewhere between the finish line and turn 1 did he? Because he set his fastest lap and a few seconds later they were side by side in turn one.

Gandalf said:
He. Did. Not. Have. The. Pace. Red Bull were trying to save both their drivers tyres, and Vettel really doesn't care
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Vettel had plenty of pace to burn and unlike Webber he had the tyre management. In the second stint Vettel did 17 laps on mediums whilst Webber could only manage 12 on hards whilst lapping at the same pace. After the stops they both switched compounds and Vettel was able to wipe out Webber's 3.5 second lead in about four laps. He was then taking huge chunks of time out of Webber after passing Hamilton before their final stops.

Gandalf said:
I think, had Vettel put in the pace (you think he had? Well he clearly had beggar all pace to pass (despite his little rant), because he couldn't complete the undercut successfully
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Vettel was only given the opportunity to undercut once, he pitted from over three seconds behind Webber and they emerged side by side.

Oh and he was over 2.5 seconds quicker in qualifying.

He owned Webber this weekend. It was only because he pitted into traffic after his first stop that Webber was able to get anywhere near him.

Also I'm not sure where I've been hypocritical (here's a definition if you're struggling with it: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hypocrisy ), my views have been entirely consistent. I've never criticised a driver for ignoring team orders, in fact I like seeing drivers show some backbone and go against the team. It's a shame Rosberg didn't ignore Ross Brawn.
 
........I dunno.


I think Silver was too slow getting back... maybe we should moderate his posts out the way....
 
AbsolutelyGlorious said:
So Webber turned his engine down somewhere between the finish line and turn 1 did he? Because he set his fastest lap and a few seconds later they were side by side in turn one.



Vettel had plenty of pace to burn and unlike Webber he had the tyre management. In the second stint Vettel did 17 laps on mediums whilst Webber could only manage 12 on hards whilst lapping at the same pace. After the stops they both switched compounds and Vettel was able to wipe out Webber's 3.5 second lead in about four laps. He was then taking huge chunks of time out of Webber after passing Hamilton before their final stops.



Vettel was only given the opportunity to undercut once, he pitted from over three seconds behind Webber and they emerged side by side.

Oh and he was over 2.5 seconds quicker in qualifying.

He owned Webber this weekend. It was only because he pitted into traffic after his first stop that Webber was able to get anywhere near him.

Also I'm not sure where I've been hypocritical (here's a definition if you're struggling with it: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hypocrisy ), my views have been entirely consistent. I've never criticised a driver for ignoring team orders, in fact I like seeing drivers show some backbone and go against the team. It's a shame Rosberg didn't ignore Ross Brawn.
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Do you really need to be as condescending as your favourite driver? What a pathetic internet hard-man tact. I know what it means, obviously, and if you can't read or understand, that's not really my problem is it?

1. Why has every single person in red bull interviewed on the matter confirmed the engine story? No no, why are you ignoring them? Know better? Maybe I be as condescending as yourself... Fuel. Burns. Off. In. The. Race. Fresh. Tyres. Faster. Lap. He had it sewn up, by coming out ahead, Red Bull confirm this with their radio messages, the race was done. Vettel ignored this.

2. Qualifying pace means nothing in the race, clearly, and however much he caught, he couldn't pass until Webber was compromised. Don't bitch about not being able to pass, if you're "so much quicker". He was only told to maintain the gap at intermediate and start points in stints to prevent tyre-wear. When he came out on track he should have undercut Qebber if he was so much faster. He didn't. He didn't have the pace to.
 
Gandalf said:
2. Qualifying pace means nothing in the race, clearly, and however much he caught, he couldn't pass until Webber was compromised. Don't bitch about not being able to pass, if you're "so much quicker". He was only told to maintain the gap at intermediate and start points in stints to prevent tyre-wear. When he came out on track he should have undercut Qebber if he was so much faster. He didn't. He didn't have the pace to.
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This.
 
Gandalf said:
Do you really need to be as condescending as your favourite driver? What a pathetic internet hard-man tact. I know what it means, obviously, and if you can't read or understand, that's not really my problem is it?

1. Why has every single person in red bull interviewed on the matter confirmed the engine story? No no, why are you ignoring them? Know better? Maybe I be as condescending as yourself... Fuel. Burns. Off. In. The. Race. Fresh. Tyres. Faster. Lap. He had it sewn up, by coming out ahead, Red Bull confirm this with their radio messages, the race was done. Vettel ignored this.

2. Qualifying pace means nothing in the race, clearly, and however much he caught, he couldn't pass until Webber was compromised. Don't bitch about not being able to pass, if you're "so much quicker". He was only told to maintain the gap at intermediate and start points in stints to prevent tyre-wear. When he came out on track he should have undercut Qebber if he was so much faster. He didn't. He didn't have the pace to.
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Maybe if Webber had obeyed his team-orders in the past he'd have a leg to stand on, but all his whiney crying has done is made him look the hypocritical cry-baby he is. I suggest you go get a copy of Silverstone 2011 and watch the last few laps when Webber is told to maintain station and ignores it, then during his interview states that they should race until the last lap.
 
Anyway.........

Looking at the body language between Mark and Seb I noticed this;

1:You can see in Marks body language he know this has been building up with him and Seb, his tell is his fluttering eyelids when trying to recall something from memory.

2: Seb shows signs of slight anxiety and agitation of the pressure he will be under, though doesn't seem too upset with what he did. (You probably find he didn't actually expect to get past and wanted to put Mark under pressure like he did with him on Silverstone.)

3: Mark looks subjected to being dominated, he is lowering his eyes to the camera as a form of submission.


Sounds like Seb did take matters into his own hands and gave mark the middle finger of "How do you like it?"
 
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