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Hannah1989 said:
as other have said, it wont just be Tonda leaving.

and the longer he is still there, the worse this will get for them.

If the FA find more evidence, it could be expulsion from the league itself. ( runours atm)

Some saints are now starting to realise that the club has done wrong, ( some not all) some are going to try and get into Wembley tomorrow, as "its only spying, its not like we've had anyone killed"

is going to be very interesting summer on the Solent
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Saints fans travelling Wembley tomorrow could get a bit tasty mind.
 
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Robertson said:
The saga does reflect badly on the world of football and the integrity of sporting competition. Spying is probably rife in other countries so I'm pleased to see the EFL are applying the rules with a heavy hand.

English football isn't innocent but it sounds like parts of Europe are a mess in this regard. It may be a wake up call for some other countries to act and clean up. Whether the warning is heeded and fully addressed is another thing.
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A lot depends on where teams train. For us, it would be hard to watch without being seen. For many others, even at Boro who have a really good training set up, there is a public view point, though I'm sure they will fix this problem now . But it's still breaking the rules, just at some clubs it could be a bit easier to do.

I think the EFL know that they had to punish Southampton properly. They literally had no defence, and they were essentially only docked 4 points. The rest is just conjecture: Hull have beaten them twice this season!

West Brom were docked two points for the most tiny, marginal and very debatable infringement of financial rules, something that they are still contesting even though they survived. I think, for now, Southampton have got off pretty lightly given their disgraceful behaviour, in spying, denying, obfuscating and public pleading when they knew all along they were completely guilty.

Some very public humility from them would be wise if they are capable of it, as the water might get a lot warmer for them. And I hope that young lad sues the bones out of them. He has little to lose as he might struggle to work in the game now.
 
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rowley said:
A lot depends on where teams train. For us, it would be hard to watch without being seen. For many others, even at Boro who have a really good training set up, there is a public view point, though I'm sure they will fix this problem now . But it's still breaking the rules, just at some clubs it could be a bit easier to do.

I think the EFL know that they had to punish Southampton properly. They literally had no defence, and they were essentially only docked 4 points. The rest is just conjecture: Hull have beaten them twice this season!

West Brom were docked two points for the most tiny, marginal and very debatable infringement of financial rules, something that they are still contesting even though they survived. I think, for now, Southampton have got off pretty lightly given their disgraceful behaviour, in spying, denying, obfuscating and public pleading when they knew all along they were completely guilty.

Some very public humility from them would be wise if they are capable of it, as the water might get a lot warmer for them. And I hope that young lad sues the bones out of them. He has little to lose as he might struggle to work in the game now.
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Exactly what I was thinking the way some of them were talking they only had to turn up at Wembley and they were promoted despite Hull beating them twice. So as you say in effect they have only been docked 4 points - should have been 30 points after reading the EFL charge sheet.
 
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rowley said:
Probably right that. Don't mind Boro actually, unless we are play them, but they couldn't get going in the game at home more than away.

That said, Hull were awful anarl! And Boro were in the top two nearly all season.
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I get what you're saying mate, however, Boro were knocked out. By the EFLs logic, Millwall should just get added back in the mix. Hull will have a genuine gripe if they don't win tomorrow. Games only going ahead because of the money it will generate.
 
EFL, moved too slowly, if they were going to kick Southampton out, it should have happened before the Boro game.
I guess they hoped Boro would win?
 
Sunders53 said:
EFL, moved too slowly, if they were going to kick Southampton out, it should have happened before the Boro game.
I guess they hoped Boro would win?
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or at least stop Southampton from selling the tickets until it was decided.
Thousands of fans have lost out
Not good at all, when they must have at least suspected the possible outcome
 
John Wick said:
I get what you're saying mate, however, Boro were knocked out. By the EFLs logic, Millwall should just get added back in the mix. Hull will have a genuine gripe if they don't win tomorrow. Games only going ahead because of the money it will generate.
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Not sure I see that mind.

Millwall were knocked out fair and square. Clearly Southampton sought and probably gained some insight as a result of their spying, or they wouldn't have kept on doing it, and we have no idea how often they spied in this way. Therefore Boro were IMO knocked out unfairly. That is the basis for the finding; that Southampton gained a material benefit on multiple occasions.

The play offs are effectively a stand alone competition so Southampton had to be removed, as you would be if you fielded an ineligible player for instance, or as Swindon were, after the event, when they beat us. Others at the time thought that they should benefit, but it was deemed then that the Play Offs must provide a winner.

The four point deduction, which is six minus one point for admitting each of the two offences, is a reflection on the impact they had on the League proper.

It's a lucrative game and though I believe the money from it is distributed widely, clearly the money is significant. But the footballing issue is greater and the right decision has been made I'd say.

Hull have known since Tuesday that they would be facing Boro. That's five days before the game, and as the 72 hour rule reflects, it is the last 2/3 days that the real tactical work is done.

Anyway, I want to watch the match!
 
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rowley said:
Not sure I see that mind.

Millwall were knocked out fair and square. Clearly Southampton sought and probably gained some insight as a result of their spying, or they wouldn't have kept on doing it, and we have no idea how often they spied in this way. Therefore Boro were IMO knocked out unfairly. That is the basis for the finding; that Southampton gained a material benefit on multiple occasions.

The play offs are effectively a stand alone competition so Southampton had to be removed, as you would be if you fielded an ineligible player for instance, or as Swindon were, after the event, when they beat us. Others at the time thought that they should benefit, but it was deemed then that the Play Offs must provide a winner.

The four point deduction, which is six minus one point for admitting each of the two offences, is a reflection on the impact they had on the League proper.

It's a lucrative game and though I believe the money from it is distributed widely, clearly the money is significant. But the footballing issue is greater and the right decision has been made I'd say.

Hull have known since Tuesday that they would be facing Boro. That's five days before the game, and as the 72 hour rule reflects, it is the last 2/3 days that the real tactical work is done.

Anyway, I want to watch the match!
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Agree. For me this is the only outcome that makes sense. Should have been done sooner is all.
 
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