Tonda Eckert named new Head Coach

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Should Tonda Eckert be given a permanent contract?

  • Yes, immediately

    Votes: 9 12.5%

  • Yes, if we beat Leicester

    Votes: 5 6.9%

  • Yes, if we beat Leicester and Millwall

    Votes: 14 19.4%

  • Yes, if we are unbeaten until January

    Votes: 5 6.9%

  • No, we need an experienced manager

    Votes: 3 4.2%

  • Until the end of the season, then re-assess

    Votes: 36 50.0%
  • Total voters
    72
I will probably get dogs abuse for this, so bring it on but the more I think about things, the more I think Nathan Jones is actually exactly what we need and had the fans been on side when we did appoint him, we may have had a small chance if staying up.

Why did so many on here(not me) and the wider fanbase get so riled up by him? Because he was a ****er to some of the players? Good, they need a rocket up their arses!

Why do we always act like the players are hard done by if they get some criticism, Clough, Fergie and many of the more successful managers would have done the same, berated the players for ****ing up. As many have pointed out, we have a top 6 squad but we would likely get beat by a team from league 1 and maybe even league 2 right now.

It's no coincidence that one of our best performances this season was against Liverpool when it wouldn't matter who is in charge, the players would raise their game....these players need to be playing out of their skins every match, if not, give the a bollocking, drop them and give someone else a chance.

As much as I enjoyed RMs season in the Championship, he is so far from the answer it's crazy, yet I feel he would get a better response from many than Jones would!
 
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lewebster said:
I will probably get dogs abuse for this, so bring it on but the more I think about things, the more I think Nathan Jones is actually exactly what we need and had the fans been on side when we did appoint him, we may have had a small chance if staying up.

Why did so many on here(not me) and the wider fanbase get so riled up by him? Because he was a ****er to some of the players? Good, they need a rocket up their arses!

Why do we always act like the players are hard done by if they get some criticism, Clough, Fergie and many of the more successful managers would have done the same, berated the players for ****ing up. As many have pointed out, we have a top 6 squad but we would likely get beat by a team from league 1 and maybe even league 2 right now.

It's no coincidence that one of our best performances this season was against Liverpool when it wouldn't matter who is in charge, the players would raise their game....these players need to be playing out of their skins every match, if not, give the a bollocking, drop them and give someone else a chance.

As much as I enjoyed RMs season in the Championship, he is so far from the answer it's crazy, yet I feel he would get a better response from many than Jones would!
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Jones is clearly a good manager in the right circumstances but it was the wrong time for us.

He is exactly what we need now and if we didn't have the history would be a good appointment. But after what happened there is no way it would work now.
 
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Forgive me if I am wrong but I haven't seen anyone mention Dave Challinor yet? What he's done at Stockport, in my opinion, comfortably outshines Wrexham 'Hollywood' FC over the course of those two clubs moving up through the leagues. He plays an aggressive 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 with an emphasis on getting the ball moving fast up-field. He's got them from 9th in the National League up to top of League One in 4 years.

Granted, he's neither the 'name', nor a manager with gravitas that many would want, but if you're going to look at those out there that could fit the tactic, style and winning mentality that we crave then he should be in the mix. He has a 53% win ratio across nearly 800 games as a manager. He's a serial winner.
 
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doritoharv said:
Forgive me if I am wrong but I haven't seen anyone mention Dave Challinor yet? What he's done at Stockport, in my opinion, comfortably outshines Wrexham 'Hollywood' FC over the course of those two clubs moving up through the leagues. He plays an aggressive 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 with an emphasis on getting the ball moving fast up-field. He's got them from 9th in the National League up to top of League One in 4 years.

Granted, he's neither the 'name', nor a manager with gravitas that many would want, but if you're going to look at those out there that could fit the tactic, style and winning mentality that we crave then he should be in the mix. He has a 53% win ratio across nearly 800 games as a manager. He's a serial winner.
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I think this would be a good choice if we had a good group of players. Similar to Pochettino who came in to a well functioning core.

Not what we need now though , imo. Last thing we need is to ruin another young up and coming manager.

We need someone that does things his own way and enforces discipline and basics again, in my option.
 
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lewebster said:
I will probably get dogs abuse for this, so bring it on but the more I think about things, the more I think Nathan Jones is actually exactly what we need and had the fans been on side when we did appoint him, we may have had a small chance if staying up.

Why did so many on here(not me) and the wider fanbase get so riled up by him? Because he was a ****er to some of the players? Good, they need a rocket up their arses!

Why do we always act like the players are hard done by if they get some criticism, Clough, Fergie and many of the more successful managers would have done the same, berated the players for ****ing up. As many have pointed out, we have a top 6 squad but we would likely get beat by a team from league 1 and maybe even league 2 right now.

It's no coincidence that one of our best performances this season was against Liverpool when it wouldn't matter who is in charge, the players would raise their game....these players need to be playing out of their skins every match, if not, give the a bollocking, drop them and give someone else a chance.

As much as I enjoyed RMs season in the Championship, he is so far from the answer it's crazy, yet I feel he would get a better response from many than Jones would!
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I think Jones might have actually done okay had we brought him in the Summer but instead we stuck with Ralph and then it was a terrible time to bring a manager like Jones in. He was never going to turn us around then especially when he didn't have support of large portion of fans.

Timing is often everything when it comes to managers imo. Still was the wrong manager to bring in this Summer but might have been a better option than Juric mid season last season. Juric probably would have done better this season than Still.

Martin was appointed at a good time for the type of manager he is and the situation we were in. It wouldn't be the right time now to appoint him though even without the previous history.

Even it you look at some of our most successful managers; I don't think Koeman would have done as well as Poch did if he took over from Adkins, and similarly I don't think Poch would have done as well as Koeman did taking over a club who sold about 8 first team players in two windows.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
I think this would be a good choice if we had a good group of players. Similar to Pochettino who came in to a well functioning core.

Not what we need now though , imo. Last thing we need is to ruin another young up and coming manager.

We need someone that does things his own way and enforces discipline and basics again, in my option.
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Fair points - my concern around gravitas is kinda with you on that. He's not young though (50 now). I just see that he could be a bit like an Adkins appointment.

It won't happen though.
 
Osvaldorama said:
There are a couple of red flags:

He’s wedded to a possession style in a similar way Martin was.

Boro fans bemoaned his lack of flexibility and said he has his favourites, also like Martin.

However, there are a lot of positives too. I think it would be a smarter choice than Still or the u21 manager.

The fact he got goals out of Archer and Azaz is a massive positive.
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He also turned a very, very average Chuba Akpom into one of the Championship's greatest ever strikers for a season. For the 29 games Carrick was in charge his first season, Akpom scored 24 goals. That's almost a goal a game for two thirds of a season. Akpom has done nothing at any other club before or after.

Maybe, just maybe, Carrick might be able to do something with Downs. If not, he also got Archer banging them in (11 in 20, plus 6 assists).

No doubt he will have his flaws, but for me, Championship experience is an absolute must this time round. Rather take a slightly better than average Champ manager, than a highly-respected coach from the Andorran second div.
 
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Che’s Godlike Thighs said:
He also turned a very, very average Chuba Akpom into one of the Championship's greatest ever strikers for a season. For the 29 games Carrick was in charge his first season, Akpom scored 24 goals. That's almost a goal a game for two thirds of a season. Akpom has done nothing at any other club before or after.

Maybe, just maybe, Carrick might be able to do something with Downs. If not, he also got Archer banging them in (11 in 20, plus 6 assists).

No doubt he will have his flaws, but for me, Championship experience is an absolute must this time round. Rather take a slightly better than average Champ manager, than a highly-respected coach from the Andorran second div.
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I agree championship experience is a must but ideally I'd prefer it if it was more than 3 years with only one club. A promotion on their record would be great too.

Enter Alex Neil...
 
Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc) said:
Jones is clearly a good manager in the right circumstances but it was the wrong time for us.

He is exactly what we need now and if we didn't have the history would be a good appointment. But after what happened there is no way it would work now.
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Yeah I agree that it almost certainly wouldn't work due to the history, some little terrier of a manager, with some decent league experience and a name that people respect, who matches that description??

Please nobody say Dennis Wise!
 
Libby said:
I think Jones might have actually done okay had we brought him in the Summer but instead we stuck with Ralph and then it was a terrible time to bring a manager like Jones in. He was never going to turn us around then especially when he didn't have support of large portion of fans.

Timing is often everything when it comes to managers imo. Still was the wrong manager to bring in this Summer but might have been a better option than Juric mid season last season. Juric probably would have done better this season than Still.

Martin was appointed at a good time for the type of manager he is and the situation we were in. It wouldn't be the right time now to appoint him though even without the previous history.

Even it you look at some of our most successful managers; I don't think Koeman would have done as well as Poch did if he took over from Adkins, and similarly I don't think Poch would have done as well as Koeman did taking over a club who sold about 8 first team players in two windows.
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Spot on, timing is everything, with managers and players, that's why some seemingly good managers/players just do not work out at a club but then go on to great things.

This just highlights the need to appoint the right person for the here a d now. We need a respected fighter who can sort the men from the boys and get them fighting again, then re-evaluate in the summer as what we need then, may be completely different for now.
 
I listened to the Total Saints Podcast for the first time last night and one thing that struck me was how hard Alfie House went in on the players.

Now don’t get me wrong I’m not saying they don’t deserve it, just that for someone in his position to be so publicly critical of attitudes when you’d think he needs to maintain a somewhat cordial relationship with the club/the players for his job just struck me as unusual. The fact he was saying that on a public forum like that suggests to me that they probably are even worse than he was making out in terms of attitude

So now having heard that a “name” manager sounds like the best chance of getting these players to listen and actually play to their capabilities. Someone like Carrick you’d think would fit the bill, I do wonder if he’d be interested though. Has spent like the last 25 years living up north so relocating to join a club like Saints might not appeal
 
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I agree championship experience is a must but ideally I'd prefer it if it was more than 3 years with only one club. A promotion on their record would be great too.

Enter Alex Neil...
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Neil's promotion with Norwich, was over ten years ago, and Norwich were a just-relegated, parachute-payment club already in 7th place when he took over. He only actually took them from 7th to 3rd over the half-season he was in charge.

He then got them relegated from the Prem straight away, and sacked the following season in the Champ.

Doing great with Millwall, but the rest of his career is pretty much just meh.
 
Saintmagic said:
I listened to the Total Saints Podcast for the first time last night and one thing that struck me was how hard Alfie House went in on the players.

Now don’t get me wrong I’m not saying they don’t deserve it, just that for someone in his position to be so publicly critical of attitudes when you’d think he needs to maintain a somewhat cordial relationship with the club/the players for his job just struck me as unusual. The fact he was saying that on a public forum like that suggests to me that they probably are even worse than he was making out in terms of attitude

So now having heard that a “name” manager sounds like the best chance of getting these players to listen and actually play to their capabilities. Someone like Carrick you’d think would fit the bill, I do wonder if he’d be interested though. Has spent like the last 25 years living up north so relocating to join a club like Saints might not appeal
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Arguably that's the job of a journalist though?

Is Alfie on this one? I had just started it when I read your post and he's not on there unless he joins later.

He was ****ing fuming and getting right into the players last week too. It was great.

The issue with Carrick is he doesn't have any managerial achievements to point to when we hit a bad patch.
 
If anyone has lost control of their senses and is starting to think that bringing RM back might not be such a bad idea (it is, for multiple reasons, not least because it would further embed the issues we have with certain players), I would suggest for one second thinking about just how much he'd emasculate Scienza. The first time he tried to take a player on he'd be immediately dropped to the U21s in favour of Fraser.
 
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If anyone has lost control of their senses and is starting to think that bringing RM back might not be such a bad idea (it is, for multiple reasons, not least because it would further embed the issues we have with certain players), I would suggest for one second thinking about just how much he'd emasculate Scienza. The first time he tried to take a player on he'd be immediately dropped to the U21s in favour of Fraser.
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I'd rather lob the senior players who want him back in the Itchen than take him back personally.

I will definitely **** off home games if he comes back but I'm pretty certain he won't.
 
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