New Manager Ideas
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A yes man? A cone man? Is that what he is?
I am sorry, I thought he was an assistant coach. Someone who was meant to offer ideas, challenge the manager, become a link to the manager for the players.
If it is the latter he has failed miserably 3 times. If its cone man and yes man then great, keep him there, but let's not pretend he is anything more.
There is a reason assistant's go with the manger wherever he goes and generally do not just stick around to work under manager after manager. He is on his 4th regime now. Its weird.
Just make him the bloody kit man or an ambassador if it's that important to have a token ex player around the place.
You've made this point a number of times. You think all employees should quit or manage to get the tail wagging the dog. An employee doing what they're told isn't some wild character flaw that you think it is.. He'll have offered his thoughts and Walter will have said "some of that sounds good but the rest I'll do my way" and dawson will have respected the decisions of his employer.
Under Rosenior dawson was part of a staff that took us from bottom half to 7th. What's bad about that?
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Failed miserably at what?
Shota came in and initially did ok, before having a dodgy run and was rightfully sacked.
Dawson helped steady the ship - before Rosenior came in who rescued that season. We then made progress.
Walter came in and we’ve had a dodgy season after a summer of a lot of change. How is that in any way Dawson’s fault?
I'm sure he did feedback and offer his thoughts, not sure why you would think he doesn't. It's pretty common for some coaches to stick around with clubs, sometimes a new manager will take him on, sometimes not. There's a reason he's been kept around and I doubt it's because he's a nice guy. Continuity, somebody that knows the club from top to bottom and that's probably shown he can be trusted in coaching the team in the desired way he's instructed.
Was last season really a failure? When you consider our history, 7th place in the 2nd tier must be somewhere around our 12th - 15th highest ever finish? 5 PL seasons, 3 PL promotions, Terry Niell got us to finish 5th, Brian Horton 6th (both before the play-offs were a thing) and I think around 100 years ago we missed out on goal difference to the Arse. That's only my knowledge - others may know differently.
Acun clearly decided that was not good enough - but in terms of final position was it really a failure - or did Acun just drop an enormous bollock in the summer?
Which other coaches have stuck around at clubs and worked with three under achieving managers before being given a 4th opportunity as an assistant coach? I can't think of any at any club. I'm interested which ones you're thinking of when you say it's pretty common.
Duncan Ferguson, Steve Clarke, John Kennedy. No idea how many different managers they worked under but I'm sure there's plenty more.
Let's hope Dawson is making the sort of impact Steve Clarke has in his career as coach then. Looking forward to seeing his influence tomorrow after a week implementing his own style on the players. Maybe Deano can come in and give a pep talk before the players take the field too, that would be nice.
I prefer Tony Blackburn. Sign of getting old.
I think the fact that we have a club coach, not tied to one particular manager who is always here to provide continuity and to pick up the pieces when a manager leaves, is a real asset. The fact he's obviously an intelligent, balanced, respected and likeable figure helps too. Don't know how anyone can hear him talk and not think there's obviously something valuable about him.
You keep talking about him like he was Walter’s assistant, he was on the coaching staff, not an assistant manager. Plenty of coaches stay on after the management team are sacked.
I find it a little odd that someone would have such a strong negative opinion of someone who’s done so much for the club.
And that's all I am asking, what has he done? Are there interviews where players have stated his coaching ability is red hot? Has he gone above and beyond to help the cleaners when they were overwhelmed by workload?
Nobody seems to know what he does, how good he is at doing it and why he is there. He is the common denominator with 3 failed managers. Is it not fair to ask what his part has been in those periods?
I'm sure he is a nice guy, it's not personal.
Do we really think it’s possible to have any influence on a manager who apparently doesn’t even talk to his own players?
Rosenior wasn’t a failure, last season was in the top ten most successful seasons we’ve had in well over seventy years.
You’ve just said you don’t know what he does, or how good he is at doing it, but have decided to slate him anyway.
I've not slated him, I've asked why he is still there despite seeing three managers sacked that he is a key part of their coaching group. What exactly was he coaching? Coaches at professional level don't turn up and say 'what shall I do today gaffa, do you want me to do a little 4 v 4 game with conditions'. It's not under 10s. He would have specific areas he is expected to plan sessions for and influence. I'm asking what that is. Given his play career I presume he coaches defence but who knows.
Equally you appear to have no idea what he does or how good he is at doing it yet you're defending his role at the club. Is that not a bit strange?
You can’t count Duncan, he only stayed cos no one dare sack him