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Wheatsheaf said:
Lets see...I hope im wrong..I just know Speakman is top dog its his way or no way...im just old school and frustrated...manager used to make all the decisions..(Also, Ive heard some really unproffesionals actions by Speakman...and im not a fan)
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That old school model isnt used much these days tbh

A director of football is key now, managers dont last long because fans want instant success so you need some continuity at the club n that normally comes from the DoF or Techncial director

Times are changing in football n we as a club need to move with them (dont saying those changes arw always good mind)
 
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Scout73 said:
Thats not guaranteed success either tho

We def need a balanced squad but we will have more success buying and selling youngsters than going for experienced players like we use too. This model has brought us experinced players to complimnet what we have, the issue was last summer we didnt bring in enough ready to play players. We did the 2 summers before so 66% of the time we have got the balance spot on

This model took us out of L1 and got us to the Championship playoffs, we then had a really poor window

That poor window can happen with any model. I remember one under bruce where we just seemed to sign slow CMs, but the windows before with him were good

There isnt 1 set model that guarantees you success

This model is the way we can be succesful long term
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I agree. Weve missed opportunities behind the scences with experienced players where believed would have helped us...im just frustrated because were a big club..and in some respects not acting like it.
 
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Prehab26 said:
He absolutely gets support but on here it's absolutely fine to say what the reservations are.
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Agreed and I have. Stating as fact he's a yes man when nobody knows him feels a stretch though. might just be a language thing as I get (and agree) he seems to fit what Speakman wants.
 
Scout73 said:
Love how hes getting written off already, being called a yes man, only appointing him because he fits in with the model etc.

We should want a manager that fits a model, you want everyone on the same page as thats the only way youll get success. Brighton get praised loads but they appoint people to fit into a model, most succesful teams do that!

Most havent heard of him, or have seen his team play yet look on Wikipedia see that he got relegated and say its an unambitious appointment.

This guy didnt have a great season last yr, the football seemed to change and i think that was down to 2 things - poor recruitment and him not adapting well enough. The season before he had a cracking season, played some great stuff and really developed the young players there - thats what we need

The recruitment search has gone on far too long, Still was the clear no1 target and they have seem to panic (from outside looking in at least) since then and got back to the drawing board

I suspect this guy has always been high on their list, he has a cracking reputation in france for developing young players and that fits with our squad

Time will tell if he is a success n the right appointment with us but none of us know that at the minute so he deserves our full support
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Any good examples of lads who have come through that academy in the last decade? That might cheer people up somewhat.
 
Just had a bit of a dive into Le Bris, he was the only one mentioned over the last few days I didn't bother looking at. His record doesn't read great, had a good first season finishing 10th, which is good for a club like Lorient, but was relegated this season with the worst defence in the league.

I was more impressed with Digard who is 10 years younger also.
 
Dunder Mifflin said:
Nice to see him being written off already and predicting he won’t make it to Christmas.

Let’s give the lad a chance and see where it gets us.

the whole process has been a shambles and fwiw I’m not happy with the appointment and the way this has been handled, but I wasn’t happy with Mowbray and that was deemed a massive success.

This is Speakman’s last roll of the dice.
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We always support our managers unless its completely obvious he's a shambles.

Very patient fanbase in the circs
 
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I don't like Speakman and I don't like the Le Bris appointment. I am comfortable saying that.

But the model must remain. Tweaks yes, but the fundamental idea of developing and selling players has to be at the core of every appointment and decision we make.

We are trying to compete with clubs who are receiving parachute payments. We need money coming into the club so we can improve the squad. Yes losing a Clarke will be a blow, but if he goes for £20m and we bring in 4 players between the £3-5m bracket we will be a better side in the long run.

The DoF/head coach structure works. The youth model works. Just needs better implementation.
 
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Prehab26 said:
Which part. He will have no compo attached to him. Doesn't have a big staff so allows our coaches to be still playing key roles. What part is incorrect. Comes from academy management background. Very Speakman.
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Thats his decision he decided to resign….this is not sorely a speakman decision KLD has had a big input in the decision

he wont be a yes man he wasnt a LFC.

the reaction of this appointment will be based on dodds and proc (i think their is an assistant coming)
 
Scout73 said:
That old school model isnt used much these days tbh

A director of football is key now, managers dont last long because fans want instant success so you need some continuity at the club n that normally comes from the DoF or Techncial director

Times are changing in football n we as a club need to move with them (dont saying those changes arw always good mind)
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A competent d.o.f - we have an over promoted former assistant academy director running things. It's a shambles and it's taken 4 months to replace a woeful appointment with an inexperienced coach from another league who's just been relegated.

Sorry for not wanting to celebrate and renew.
 
SourPatch2 said:
So do I, but that has nothing to do with Le Bris?

Plus it is changing. People may laugh i but going for a 34y/o backup goalkeeper is a clear sign of it. Surely if Speakman was deadset on youth at all costs Young or a kid brought in would be the backup.

We need dressing room presences to allow the kids to flourish so we can sell them. We need to be a shop window club because thats the only way to function in this league without parachute payments.
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I get all of that and agree..i dont think Le Bris will get a say in recruitment..and thats what i mean about being a yes man...youll just to your job...i want a coach to a strong input on areas of the club...style of play, recruitment and youuth level etc
 
SourPatch2 said:
I don't like Speakman and I don't like the Le Bris appointment. I am comfortable saying that.

But the model must remain. Tweaks yes, but the fundamental idea of developing and selling players has to be at the core of every appointment and decision we make.

We are trying to compete with clubs who are receiving parachute payments. We need money coming into the club so we can improve the squad. Yes losing a Clarke will be a blow, but if he goes for £20m and we bring in 4 players between the £3-5m bracket we will be a better side in the long run.

The DoF/head coach structure works. The youth model works. Just needs better implementation.
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there is a lot worse than Le Bris…we all know he was not first choice but this could explain the delay in some way
 
Wheatsheaf said:
I agree. Weve missed opportunities behind the scences with experienced players where believed would have helped us...im just frustrated because were a big club..and in some respects not acting like it.
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The DoF/Head Coach system is definitely acting like a big club.

The player recruitment policy, overall, not just the last couple of windows, is sensible for a club in the position we are in.
 
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on the face of it, it’s not a good look.

however, if you read more about him then it makes sense with his academy background etc.

I hope the bloke absolutely smashes it but he needs to be backed and backed well by the board. We can’t go another season relying on unproven kids in key positions.

Pleased this saga is coming to an end.
 
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Scout73 said:
Thats not guaranteed success either tho

We def need a balanced squad but we will have more success buying and selling youngsters than going for experienced players like we use too. This model has brought us experinced players to complimnet what we have, the issue was last summer we didnt bring in enough ready to play players. We did the 2 summers before so 66% of the time we have got the balance spot on

This model took us out of L1 and got us to the Championship playoffs, we then had a really poor window

That poor window can happen with any model. I remember one under bruce where we just seemed to sign slow CMs, but the windows before with him were good

There isnt 1 set model that guarantees you success

This model is the way we can be succesful long term
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I don't hate the model. But I feel like we've abandoned the model we set ourselves.

We've gone to extremes. It worked in L1 because we had a good blend. We also signed people like Patrick Roberts and Stewart, looking for value, and not just youth. The kids we did bring in then were basically ready to drop straight in at this level, like Cirkin for example. They weren't as raw and untested.

Last summer we signed far too many who had barely kicked a ball in earnest with nothing to balance that. There was too much reliance on kids to isntantly be game changers and step up.

We also seem to be switching playing styles continually, there is no continuity in the appointments from what I can see, no long term style or way of playing.

Long term plan to invest in youth, finding and unleashing potential in academy rejects from Prem etc., looking for hidden gems, great. Sell them when they come good. Reinvest, progress gradually. All good.

But we seem to be chopping as much as we have previously and not signing anyone who is of the required quality for the short to medium term... which just undermines the long term development too.

I want it to work, but Speakman is doing a lot to undermine himself at the moment.
 
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