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Tricked wasn't probably the best word to use, perhaps "wrongly convinced" is more accurate.

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I think your assessment is very harsh, yes he has a northern accent, as do most of us on this forum, if the players can't understand his English, which is very clear to me and perhaps clearer than some people from the London area, they need to get better at English not the manager.

British managers don't win the Prmeier League because they rarely get put in at top clubs and when they do they get the boot quicker than others due to the British coach stigma.

But it may not be a stigma, that's my point.

I just don't think there's any English manager capable of taking the Man City job.

Same goes for Arsenal and Liverpool.
 
It wouldn't be normal if it was a fact, tbf it's just opinions.

As things stand the best English manager may be Howe, he'll never manage a top club imo.

He has quite a squad but some of their games have verged on embarrassing.

A part of "being the best" is being able to prove it at the highest level, George Best never got to play at a World Cup, he will never be put in the same bracket at Pele or Maradona, perhaps rightfully, because at the end of the day you have to prove it and to prove it you have to be given a chance.
 
It wouldn't be normal if it was a fact, tbf it's just opinions.

As things stand the best English manager may be Howe, he'll never manage a top club imo.

He has quite a squad but some of their games have verged on embarrassing.
Potter has got to be one of the best British coaches at the moment. Chelsea are a basket case so he was daft going there in hindsight. Hope he gets a crack at a better big club soon.
 
But it may not be a stigma, that's my point.

I just don't think there's any English manager capable of taking the Man City job.

Same goes for Arsenal and Liverpool.

That's because in order to manage at the top, you have to manage at a level that is comparative and have success, if the coaches are being gate kept or just plain not considered, they will never reach the level required to become eligible for the top jobs.
 
A part of "being the best" is being able to prove it at the highest level, George Best never got to play at a World Cup, he will never be put in the same bracket at Pele or Maradona, perhaps rightfully, because at the end of the day you have to prove it and to prove it you have to be given a chance.

Multi-millions are at stake so 'giving someone a chance' isn't like taking on a new tea lady.

Football club owners have immense pressure on them so have to do what they think is best.

Surely you'd have to agree the list of top English managers is pretty poor.

It's up to them to put themselves in the frame tbh.
 
Multi-millions are at stake so 'giving someone a chance' isn't like taking on a new tea lady.

Football club owners have immense pressure on them so have to do what they think is best.

Surely you'd have to agree the list of top English managers is pretty poor.

It's tough for them when they're competing with every good coach in the world for a small number of jobs all the whilst fighting fan opinion, media opinion and probably boardroom opinion too.
 
Sorry if said as I'm only dropping in and out today - but the Athletic now reporting Burnley are interviewing Rosenior this week. So if he's the "new" choice, then that won't be quick.

I guess it comes back to KLD saying he HOPED it would be imminent. He can't control what other clubs do. And you can very much understand Rosenior wanting to speak to Burnley seeing they have the parachute payments and a reputation for sticking with their managers. We have neither.
 
It's tough for them when they're competing with every good coach in the world for a small number of jobs all the whilst fighting fan opinion, media opinion and probably boardroom opinion too.

Perhaps I've been tainted but whenever I think of an English coach working abroad this comes to mind ...

... the Marcel Marceau of football <laugh>

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KLD shouldn’t have put that statement out last week, it’s just yet another stick to beat him with.

I always saw it as a sign nothing was imminent, despite his words saying he hoped to appoint imminently.

There was no right word for him to use. Any word he used would have been torn apart.

What was clear (to me at least), is if an appointment was imminent, no statement was needed at all.

What his statement has essentially done is bought him and the club an extra week with a lot of fans. Although it is starting to look like that might not be enough :D
 
Perhaps I've been tainted but whenever I think of an English coach working abroad this comes to mind ...

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I think videos like that are more the sort of thing that reinforces a stereotype.

So If you read racial crime statistics and then saw a very specific crime video, it could feed your prejudice. It's a similar effect to that.

English coaches are amongst the best now, people come from abroad to learn here, our clubs and league system have very good infrastructure, we're holding ourselves back and it's just weird and unfortunate.
 
I think videos like that are more the sort of thing that reinforces a stereotype.

So If you read racial crime statistics and then saw a very specific crime video, it could feed your prejudice. It's a similar effect to that.

English coaches are amongst the best now, people come from abroad to learn here, our clubs and league system have very good infrastructure, we're holding ourselves back and it's just weird and unfortunate.

That's fair enough mate but it boils down to nothing more than opinions.

I have to ask myself, if English coaches are so good and so adaptable ...

... why don't unemployed ones, like ex-PL Heckingbottom, go to work in any of the many European countries.
 
Sorry if said as I'm only dropping in and out today - but the Athletic now reporting Burnley are interviewing Rosenior this week. So if he's the "new" choice, then that won't be quick.

I guess it comes back to KLD saying he HOPED it would be imminent. He can't control what other clubs do. And you can very much understand Rosenior wanting to speak to Burnley seeing they have the parachute payments and a reputation for sticking with their managers. We have neither.
Maybe the real new manager is the friends we made along the way
 
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English coaches are amongst the best now, people come from abroad to learn here, our clubs and league system have very good infrastructure, we're holding ourselves back and it's just weird and unfortunate.

Can't say I've seen any banging on the door for a big job recently.