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New Head Coach

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by FellTop, Nov 26, 2023.

  1. Bank of England 2

    Bank of England 2 Well-Known Member

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    I hope we have a fantastic season to put an end to the posters on here who only post to piss and moan.
     
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  2. Bank of England 2

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    I prefer 'Friggin in the Riggin', but that's a different story! <laugh>
     
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  3. Mackem74

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    There is an information vacuum just now and everyone is desperate for news. The board said they would wait till end of season and while ours has finished many others haven't. We need someone in place soon but I'm not overly concerned. They might be interviewing managers who are now available and doing due diligence. It's a big decision so we are better getting it right than quick. Nothing is happening now anyway, players are on holiday and we have recruitment people that will be working on new players. Or we could already have a preferred candidate who is working behind scenes and advising and we aren't able to.announce until a certain time.
     
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  4. Pure River Slut

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    To be positive though, it’s way better here than RTG for balance. There are good posters there also but got many it’s like a bi polar day centre.
     
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  5. Robertson

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  6. Bank of England 2

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    There are some tremendous posters on here. The best ones are those who look at the overall situation and choose to criticise or praise the club in equal measure, depending on the specific situation.
    There are a few posters that defend the club no matter what, which reeks of blind loyalty and others who only post to slag the club off, which makes you wonder if they would be better off following a more successful team for the good of their health.
     
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    Do we think we cant agree terms because we are not recruiting for a manager but a coach with limited duties. Speakman is the manager and the coaches will just train the players? What do we think...
     
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    Great few pages of debate on Beale, nice to see where we all stand. Now let's move on <cheers>

    Time to relax and wait for the announcement.
     
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    What would people say if we got rosenior, I wouldn't think it would be bad but I can see a lot melting down
     
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  10. CoolerKing33

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    No we're far from unique in having a Director of football and head coach model. And more and more clubs are moving that way.
     
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  11. Bank of England 2

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  12. SourPatch2

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    That is quite literally modern day football though, especially European. Someone like Svensson has had it like this his whole career.
     
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  13. Pure River Slut

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    Aye it’s true if last season Mowbray at least maybe not this season Mowbray. They definitely had more confidence, he never managed to stop the breakaway goals like or mix up the styles that’s my criticism of him and to be fair to Beale he did try to do that it just made us dull and Dodds even duller. How much the ****e forward line added to that especially the spell without Clarke we may find out soon.
     
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    Well there is **** all else to do once the football season has finished! <laugh>
     
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  15. Pure River Slut

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    Hard to say. He needs to stay out of pre match team selection and excluding coaches from first team recruitment if indeed either are a factor as implied, but as I said the other day foreign clubs seem to be made this way anyway. It would be an issue with those uk based because Mowbray and Neil have made a noise about it. If KLD has a brain he’ll be diluting his power to mitigate that.
     
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    Yeah the idea of a manager who picks the team, sorts tactics and signs players is disappearing, Liverpool are also moving to the head coach setup I believe.

    What I don’t want however is someone other than the head coach interfering with team selection and tactics. That should be his call only and there are (quite rightly) questions about how much Speakman influences these things. If I was a coach going for the position it would be the first thing I’d want guarantees on, and I’d walk away if they weren’t forthcoming.
     
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    Or rangers who they seem obsessed with
     
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    Might be true for a limited number of potential candidates,but it's the way football has been operating here and in Europe for years. If our assumptions are correct and our targets are young European coaches,it will be something they are well used to.
    I think it's generally been a good thing to remove coaches from the player negotiating tasks and leave them more time to coach on the training ground. However,I would caveat that by saying that both the DoF,the recruitment staff and the Coach all need to be on the same page with regard to player movement in and out,and is one of the main reasons why I am desperate to see some longer period of stability for us where we see the same good,competent people in their post for a number of years.....say 5. Continuity is key when it comes to players and constant change breeds exactly the opposite.
     
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    The thing about the DoF role is though that part of the function is to instill a culture within a club, and part of that has to be the playing style. On that basis, I think that, to a certain extent, the DoF has to have an input on tactics. But probably not on a day to day, game by game basis.
     
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  20. SourPatch2

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    See I disagree. Personally I want the whole club playing the same style and system from first team to academy and that has to be installed by the DoF. Obviously the head coach has a massive say but because of the quick turnover of coaches in the modern game they simply can't be given a lot of power, rightly or wrongly.
     
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