Hull Fair is a one off attendance once a year which will continue at a relocated site, not sure you can equate it to average City attendances? Why not add up a full City season and Hull FC on top and one off visits to Wembley etc?
Sports Village
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I'm just wondering if the Fair is as important to the city as the Council makes out? Also I don't know what sort of fight they would have with the Showman's Guild if it were to be moved, I believe that agreement covers the site for the Fair.
I'm not in favour of scrapping the Fair, I'm in favour of repackaging it, relocate and allocate a a pseudo Walton Street with stalls on both sides like it used to be, and create a proper park and ride, let the Fair Guild come up with their plan of what they want and let us advance as a progressive Football Club.
I want exactly the same thing, and imagine we all do. But it seems the major question is whether there is anywhere else for the fair to realistically go.
It would on the construction, tell me how Hull Fair has benefitted local business for the last how ever many hundreds of years, pissed up gyppos in the local pubs maybe, as Urika has said many times, it’s a loss making operation for Hull City council, maybe this time, the council will be brave enough, and tell the fair to **** off and find their own site to use.
I think is probably more important financially to the showground people, than to the people in the surrounding areas of the fair. What sort of agreement the Council have with the Showman's guild I am not sure, but I do feel it is about time the council came into the modern century and acted accordingly.
I think the council will be very concerned about losing the fair to the East Riding and contrary to some of the comments on here, I think the council do exceptionally well out of the fair (they don't only get revenue for the couple of weeks of the fair either, they get revenue all year round from that ****hole of a market).
The council have always said that hard-standing was required for the bigger rides which ruled out several of the proposed alternative sites, but as someone else pointed out on here earlier, Nottingham seem to manage okay on grass only.
I dont really get a say in this (well should not) since I dont live in the area and have not for 42 years. But born in Hessle, went to Marist in Hull and have been a City supporter since the days of Bill Bradbury and Billy Bly. I have fond memories of skipping school and spending my afternoons riding the waltzers at Hull Fair and when even younger marvelling at the lights and crowds as I walked down Watton St with my parents to the fair. Nostalgia hangs heavy in the air at decision points but its only fleeting in ones mind and maybe now thats the best place to leave it in our collective minds and let the people of Hull move on from nostalgia and instead move into the future. Really when you get rid of the nostalgia then what there is down Walton St now is a collection of old houses and a grimy, dismal car park. How could collective memories get in the way of replacing that dismal and dismaying area with something that could be so much more than a grimy car park. Time to move on.
I don't have the actual figures but the person who told me has significant involvement with the whole fair process and told me as much.
They are very "pro" fair and was retorting to my back Acun we are off to the top jibes...
The council refuse to say, they've previously refused Freedom Of Information requests, on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
It's just more HDM poor reporting apparently.
The Hull Daily Mail reported the club's £25m project would see the fair forced from its site on Walton Street.
The BBC has approached Hull City for comment.
Council Leader Mike Ross said the council did not want to see the fair's long history on the site lost.
"So that commitment to the Walton Street site remains," he added.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-64648325
The Hull Daily Mail reported the club's £25m project would see the fair forced from its site on Walton Street.
The BBC has approached Hull City for comment.
Council Leader Mike Ross said the council did not want to see the fair's long history on the site lost.
"So that commitment to the Walton Street site remains," he added.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-64648325
Forced from its site. It has no site for 50 weeks of the year.
The original showmen strongly objected to it going there, and organised a funeral parade on the first day of opening.
I thought I was fairly clear in saying that it’s not a worthy argument – but something like that will be used by people opposing it.
Bit sad to see some of the usual suspects bashing the Council here, HCC is in a pretty impossible position. Relocating the fair is the obvious way forward here, but there isn’t a street or resident in the city that would want the fair moved to their vicinity. So you need a large site well away from any rooftops to make relocation plausible - and should such a site exist (the Lord Line and St Andrews Quay area might work) it would cost a seven figure sum (maybe eight) for clearance and putting in the necessary services/access. And don’t forget the Council is on the bones of its arse right now, unless it can source some dough from the Levelling Up lottery.
So really, it comes down to a choice between having the sports village and canning Hull Fair, or maintaining the status quo. It’s an impossible decision that will piss off loads of people either way.
That’s why the sports villlage hasn’t already happened. And much as I would love to see it come to fruition, I think the true costs extend well beyond the £25m quoted for constructing the sports facilities (which feels £50-100m light anyway, given the big ambitions on show - the 12000 seater stadium alone would cost at least £25m).
So really, it comes down to a choice between having the sports village and canning Hull Fair, or maintaining the status quo. It’s an impossible decision that will piss off loads of people either way.
That’s why the sports villlage hasn’t already happened. And much as I would love to see it come to fruition, I think the true costs extend well beyond the £25m quoted for constructing the sports facilities (which feels £50-100m light anyway, given the big ambitions on show - the 12000 seater stadium alone would cost at least £25m).
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This lot claim to be Europe's largest funfair:
https://hoppingsfunfairs.com/
Plenty of big rides, held on grassland in Newcastle normally used for grazing cows.
https://hoppingsfunfairs.com/
Plenty of big rides, held on grassland in Newcastle normally used for grazing cows.