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aberdude said:
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This is the problem with having kids read out speeches written by thick parents.
Why are the UK planning on granting a license for a new oil field? because virtually everything everything that is manufactured today is made from the stuff <doh>

Some people just think oil is used for fuel and have no idea how we (the people of the world) depend on it. can it be phased out? more than likely but not for a good few decades so any country that wishes to continue manufacturing will either have to extract it or buy it from someone that does.
 
Diego said:
This is the problem with having kids read out speeches written by thick parents.
Why are the UK planning on granting a license for a new oil field? because virtually everything everything that is manufactured today is made from the stuff <doh>

Some people just think oil is used for fuel and have no idea how we (the people of the world) depend on it. can it be phased out? more than likely but not for a good few decades so any country that wishes to continue manufacturing will either have to extract it or buy it from someone that does.
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Some days you can can sound kinda interesting and amusing and other days you come come across as a manc twat who can not tell the difference between an old bastard wants to rant about his **** political views forum and a football forum...

Can you guess what one you are today <whistle>
 
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remembercolinlee said:
Some days you can can sound kinda interesting and amusing and other days you come come across as a manc twat who can not tell the difference between an old bastard wants to rant about his **** political views forum and a football forum...

Can you guess what one you are today <whistle>
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The one that actually knows what things are made of?


<laugh>
 
brb said:
In short, we're fooked, and I'm not convinced you mentalists are going to change your ways. We all pretend to be green, but in reality the rules appear to suggest differently, it's everyone for themself.
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I just think we're all a part of this system whether we like it or not. We can make small changes like using green energy suppliers, cutting down on waste, eating less meat etc. But there's no a lot we can do about the huge oil and gas industries that we all rely on for everything from food production, transport. manufacturing etc.

People have woken up to the reality of climate change and want to do something about it, but we're so embedded in this system, that unless you go and live in a log cabin off grid in the mountains, grow and hunt your own food, tap into your own water supply etc then you're always going to have a carbon footprint.

I hear people slating others, saying 'well you drive a car, so you're part of the problem' well yes technically they are, but until Govt and Industry provide the means for people to live in a carbon neutral way, then we're always going to be contributing to the problem. It's just not feasible for people to switch overnight as the infrastructure we all rely on is so dependent on fossil fuels
 
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brb said:
I think when you have people panic buying fuel, it tells you something is seriously wrong with the infrastructure of this country and that don't bode well for a future green economy.

Over decades we have moved people from using their legs, into their cars, Town Centres have gone, and out of town shopping centres are now the norm. Even working places have become centralised out of towns. All these locations require the use of a car. One person, one car but millions of the fookers. Even the schools are clogged up with cars at drop off and collection times.

We've moved from local shops to supermarkets, that supply all our weekly needs, trouble is again the freight all comes from central locations. The CO2 recent problems have highlighted the problems of relying on main hubs, it also highlights how we have done away with local markets and farmers with produce being fresh on the day, packaged in a way that keeps it longer, but also creating more than we need and excessive waste.

People have proven with bog roll and fuel, they have absolutely no intentions of changing their ways, well at least not for another decade, when new rules start coming in. Expect the price of fuel over the next decade to rocket, as the governments and environmentalists will force you stubborn bastards out of your petrol/diesel cars and excuses of I'm panic buying because they are. While our own selfishness has left ambulance drivers grounded.

It shouldn't go unnoticed that producers haven't really helped either, by wrapping everything we buy in plastic, especially stuff like fresh fruit and veg, generally I'm suspicious that this is to make you buy more than you actually need, afterall, it saves the farmer and retailer having to get rid of the waste of having produced too much.

In short, we're fooked, and I'm not convinced you mentalists are going to change your ways. We all pretend to be green, but in reality the rules appear to suggest differently, it's everyone for themself.
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Spot on this ^

Panic buying shows at its most basic level the inherent selfishness of people. Those queues were people who actually needed to buy some fuel, as they were low, or needed it for travel to work etc, or were heading off somewhere long distance, these people would have been buying that fuel anyway, then there was the rest……at the first hearing of a fuel shortage their first instinct is to grab as much as they can for themselves, as that’s how their minds work. Queuing for hours to buy fuel they didn’t have an immediate need for, as mentally they can’t cope with the idea that they might miss out.

Changes required to make our carbon footprint in line with global targets are huge, and at the minute there’s little happening to drive change in us, the consumer. I’ve got an EV on order (**** knows when I’ll actually see it thanks to the microchip shortage like) but there was little financial incentive for me to buy one - £2500 to be precise, that’s not going to be enough to create the kind of change needed.

I have oil powered heating, so I’m also looking at ground source heat pumps and the like to replace it, again it’s a fortune and there’s **** all incentive. What chance has the average family got to make these changes? They won’t be able to afford them, and so what changes? Answer - **** all.

Major change can only be driven by legislation and Govt support, as left to our devices the populous isn’t going to lead this, never happening.
 
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Tobes said:
Spot on this ^

Panic buying shows at its most basic level the inherent selfishness of people. Those queues were people who actually needed to buy some fuel, as they were low, or needed it for travel to work etc, or were heading off somewhere long distance, these people would have been buying that fuel anyway, then there was the rest……at the first hearing of a fuel shortage their first instinct is to grab as much as they can for themselves, as that’s how their minds work. Queuing for hours to buy fuel they didn’t have an immediate need for, as mentally they can’t cope with the idea that they might miss out.

Changes required to make our carbon footprint in line with global targets are huge, and at the minute there’s little happening to drive change in us, the consumer. I’ve got an EV on order (**** knows when I’ll actually see it thanks to the microchip shortage like) but there was little financial incentive for me to buy one - £2500 to be precise, that’s not going to be enough to create the kind of change needed.

I have oil powered heating, so I’m also looking at ground source heat pumps and the like to replace it, again it’s a fortune and there’s **** all incentive. What chance has the average family got to make these changes? They won’t be able to afford them, and so what changes? Answer - **** all.

Major change can only be driven by legislation and Govt support, as left to our devices the populous isn’t going to lead this, never happening.
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That's the big problem .
Look at Ebikes !
You can get a decent bike for £600 but that same bike fitted with an electric drive and battery and you are looking at £2,500.<applause><yikes><yikes>
How is that a green incentive
 
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Edelman said:
That's the big problem .
Look at Ebikes !
You can get a decent bike for £600 but that same bike fitted with an electric drive and battery and you are looking at £2,500.<applause><yikes><yikes>
How is that a green incentive
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Cheaper than Piskies for £3k <laugh>
 
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