Off Topic Coronavirus
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I would imagine once they get tested (after death) then they will be added to a list.
They started earlier than us. It depends what you consider the start but if you look at either their first death or tenth as the starting point and their trajectory from there, ours is (or was) similar but two weeks behind which suggests it’s not long until we’re looking at 1000 dead in a day.
There was an off the cuff remark at lunchtime from the Scottish Chief Medical Officer, that Covid19 is poorly transmitted amongst children. So I spent the afternoon have a quick look on the medical web.
So to get into the lung cells, Coronovirus utilises a protein on our cells called ACE2, it sort of tricked to taking the virus in
Guess what.....ACE2 is a developmentally controlled protein, well it is in mice, and it is not fully expressed until puberty.
There is a definite reason why children are not badly affected, because they do not get as big a dose/are not as badly infected as adults. I expect that is why the medical advice was not to close the schools. They were not going to harbour the virus there anyway.
Unlike the Cheltenham festival which full of adults...but we kept that open yeah but I know that was because of the money involved
So to get into the lung cells, Coronovirus utilises a protein on our cells called ACE2, it sort of tricked to taking the virus in
Guess what.....ACE2 is a developmentally controlled protein, well it is in mice, and it is not fully expressed until puberty.
There is a definite reason why children are not badly affected, because they do not get as big a dose/are not as badly infected as adults. I expect that is why the medical advice was not to close the schools. They were not going to harbour the virus there anyway.
Unlike the Cheltenham festival which full of adults...but we kept that open yeah but I know that was because of the money involved
As said before this is a misleading figure.
There are those who died of/because of coronavirus.
There are others who died of other causes and had coronovirus in their system, which testing after a death in hospital, I expect many may have.
This is a difference in accounting, and it is a difference between our figures and Germany's figures. I am lead to believe that they are only accounting people who have a full symptomatic history of Coronovirus
We will only know the true figure when we can start testing the community. I think that is still weeks away
They were talking about trajectories yesterday and said we shouldn't compare to other countries, as all countries are different. As the medical officer confirmed yesterday we were on the same trajectory as Italy, then it changed, and they compared us to France.
We shouldn't start saying how many a day will die because we don't actually know.
There is a myth going around that we are two weeks behind others when actually we are not. Yesterday that professor bod on Sky said it was a matter of a few days.
Right I get ya, very misleading to pin a start point on the first, or tenth or hundredth death to compare the trajectory to another country. All equations have to be taken into account I suppose, age, underlying conditions, testing, test numbers etc. Either way you come at this, it ain't pretty.
I think this is scientifically interesting and might well be important going forward, but the fact is we are seeing many more hospital admissions and many more deaths than is ‘normal’ and the new factor is COVID 19. We will only know next year how many ‘extra’ deaths it has caused, if any, or whether it has just brought forward deaths that would likely have happened this year anyway. Either way the stress on the NHS is immense.
I heard it explained like this - if, because of age and/or existing conditions, you have a 50% chance of dying this year, if you catch COVID 19 that compresses that 50% chance into the next two weeks. Does that make sense?
The great lie: Could China have reduced the global impact of coronavirus?https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes...Pp2DEyOG3i1ne0rpzz6gxZSWulyZhpu8YO8Qn0vQc1VwI
One of the first deaths in England was a local man. He was in his 70's and terminally ill with cancer. He literally had 2 weeks (weeks) to live according local people. He contracted Covid-19 (not sure if this was tested before or after). What would have been his cause of death? Obviously Coronavirus as that was the thing that killed him but he would have died from cancer in just a few weeks? Does this mean that we will have less deaths from cancer? Overall we have an average of 600K deaths a year... will this figure be about the same or a lot higher? It will be interesting as you said to find out in a year.
that won't be many at present. The government said 10k were tested Friday then the NHS said 9K?I know we are only talking 1K but it's also 10%. We need more testing.
Agree totally
I know we are only talking 1K but it's also 10%. We need more testing.
I think they used that from the first recorded cases... however this is misleading. They also compare amount of cases... this is also misleading. Just look at the US.
As I said b4 nhs workers are still not being tested and they still don't have the correct PPE.
Gove is lying through his teeth about this, right now.
Gove is lying through his teeth about this, right now.
Expect it to be exceptionally vague with some great buzzwords but no numbers or timings.
I really can't work out why the government are being so ****ing slow in all this.
Could someone who doesn't just want to slam the Tories tell me what the problem is?
As a completely hypothetical question and taking the people on here as having a broad range of political views and different outlooks........
How would any of you react if frontline staff decided to take industrial action due to what they see as the lack of adequate PPE that they are being issued ?
I’m just curious
How would any of you react if frontline staff decided to take industrial action due to what they see as the lack of adequate PPE that they are being issued ?
I’m just curious