Match Day Thread Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

carlthejackal said:

Of course it does not prove that LFC bought costly players. But are we saying that during a long period we bought 2000 players at less than 1 million pounds instead of 50 players at around 40 million? That our shopping habits were closer to Swindon Town than to the Top 4 or 6 in terms of the price of our players? Of course some of those players we bought were costly.

We chose to spend the money in the way we did. No one forced us to spend on more cheaper players instead on fewer expensive ones. That was the club’s strategy. How many of us decried the likes of Chelsea and City of ‘buying’ the title by spending huge amounts on few players when in the overall analysis we spent as much as them. The difference is that with the money they spent they transformed their teams and squads. LFC didn’t until now.

It is not that we didn’t match the City’s and the Chelseas. We did in volume but not in quality. We are now, in buying the most expensive GK and CB in the world (at one time).

And that is why to expect us to win the title against the likes of City and Chelsea and Man U is not in the realm of fantasy.

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I would take issue with a lot of this, but for now I'll concentrate on the last sentence.
If we spent a lot in the past and didn't win the PL, why does spending so much now mean we must compete?

It's about who you buy and how you use them, not simply how much they cost. That table is misleading in so many ways.

You do have to consider net spend though, because a lot of our spending has followed losing a big asset.

Owen didn't go for much back then, but we wasted the money and swap deal
Mascherano and Alonso and then Torres. Complete waste of all that money
Suarez, may aswell lost him on a free
Sterling went for a lot and we wasted it yet again.

Coutinho more recently, at least this time we have bought top talent. That is probably the first time we didn't just spend for spend sake

here is a list of players bought since 1992

ARRIVALS 18/19
Players Club Transfer sum
Alisson AS Roma £56.25m
Naby Keïta RB Leipzig £54.00m
Fabinho AS Monaco £40.50m
Xherdan Shaqiri Stoke City £13.23m
ARRIVALS 17/18
Players Club
Virgil van Dijk Southampton FC £70.92m
Mohamed Salah AS Roma £37.80m
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Arsenal FC £34.20m
Andrew Robertson Hull City £8.10m
Tony Gallacher Falkirk FC £205k
Dominic Solanke Chelsea FC U23 Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 16/17
Players Club
Sadio Mané Southampton FC £37.08m
Georginio Wijnaldum Newcastle United £24.75m
Loris Karius 1.FSV Mainz 05 £5.58m
Ragnar Klavan FC Augsburg £4.50m
Alexander Manninger FC Augsburg Free Transfer
Joel Matip FC Schalke 04 Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 15/16
Players Club
Christian Benteke Aston Villa £41.85m
Roberto Firmino TSG 1899 Hoffenheim £36.90m
Nathaniel Clyne Southampton FC £15.93m
Danny Ings Burnley FC £7.47m
Marko Grujic Red Star Belgrade £6.30m
Joe Gomez Charlton Athletic £4.41m
James Milner Manchester City Free Transfer
Ádám Bogdán Bolton Wanderers Free Transfer
Steven Caulker Queens Park Rangers Loan
ARRIVALS 14/15
Players Club
Adam Lallana Southampton FC £27.90m
Dejan Lovren Southampton FC £22.77m
Lazar Markovic SL Benfica £22.50m
Mario Balotelli AC Milan £18.00m
Alberto Moreno Sevilla FC £16.20m
Divock Origi LOSC Lille £11.37m
Emre Can Bayer 04 Leverkusen £10.80m
Rickie Lambert Southampton FC £4.95m
Javier Manquillo Atlético Madrid Loan fee:
£1.80m
Kevin Stewart Tottenham Hotspur Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 13/14
Players Club
Mamadou Sakho Paris Saint-Germain £17.10m
Iago Aspas Celta de Vigo £9.72m
Simon Mignolet Sunderland AFC £9.54m
Luis Alberto Sevilla FC £7.20m
Tiago Ilori Sporting CP £6.75m
Victor Moses Chelsea FC Loan fee:
£1.08m
Aly Cissokho Valencia CF Loan fee:
£900k
Kolo Touré Manchester City Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 12/13
Players Club
Joe Allen Swansea City £17.10m
Daniel Sturridge Chelsea FC £13.50m
Fabio Borini AS Roma £11.97m
Philippe Coutinho FC Internazionale £11.70m
Nuri Sahin Real Madrid Loan fee:
£4.50m
Oussama Assaidi SC Heerenveen £3.60m
Samed Yesil Bayer 04 Leverkusen £1.17m
ARRIVALS 11/12
Players Club
Stewart Downing Aston Villa £20.52m
Jordan Henderson Sunderland AFC £16.20m
Charlie Adam Blackpool FC £7.56m
Sebastián Coates Club Nacional £7.20m
José Enrique Newcastle United £7.20m
João Carlos Teixeira Sporting CP U19 £1.08m
Danny Ward Wrexham AFC £113k
Doni AS Roma Free Transfer
Craig Bellamy Manchester City Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 10/11
Players Club
Andy Carroll Newcastle United £36.90m
Luis Suárez Ajax Amsterdam £23.85m
Raúl Meireles FC Porto £11.70m
Christian Poulsen Juventus FC £4.93m
Paul Konchesky Fulham FC £3.60m
Brad Jones Middlesbrough FC £2.52m
Danny Wilson Rangers FC £2.48m
Jonjo Shelvey Charlton Athletic £1.80m
Milan Jovanovic Standard Liège Free Transfer
Joe Cole Chelsea FC Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 09/10
Players Club
Glen Johnson Portsmouth FC £18.45m
Alberto Aquilani AS Roma £18.00m
Sotiris Kyrgiakos AEK Athens £2.70m
Maxi Rodríguez Atlético Madrid Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 08/09
Players Club
Robbie Keane Tottenham Hotspur £21.60m
Javier Mascherano West Ham United £20.25m
Albert Riera RCD Espanyol Barcelona £8.82m
Andrea Dossena Udinese Calcio £8.10m
Diego Cavalieri Sociedade Esportiva Palmeiras £3.96m
David N'Gog Paris Saint-Germain £1.35m
Péter Gulácsi MTK Budapest U19 £225k
Philipp Degen Borussia Dortmund Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 07/08
Players Club
Fernando Torres Atlético Madrid £34.20m
Ryan Babel Ajax Amsterdam £15.53m
Martin Skrtel Zenit St. Petersburg £9.00m
Lucas Leiva Grêmio Foot-Ball Porto Alegrense £9.00m
Yossi Benayoun West Ham United £6.57m
Krisztián Németh MTK Budapest £2.70m
Sebastián Leto Club Atlético Lanús £2.70m
Charles Itandje RC Lens £1.35m
Damien Plessis Olympique Lyon B £450k
Nikolay Mihaylov Levski Sofia £135k
Emiliano Insúa Club Atlético Boca Juniors Swap deal
Andriy Voronin Bayer 04 Leverkusen Free Transfer
Ryan Crowther Stockport County Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 06/07
Players Club
Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord Rotterdam £16.20m
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham City £8.19m
Craig Bellamy Blackburn Rovers £8.10m
Álvaro Arbeloa Deportivo de La Coruña £3.51m
Gabriel Paletta Club Atlético Banfield £2.43m
Javier Mascherano West Ham United Loan fee:
£1.80m
Astrit Ajdarevic Falkenbergs FF £1.08m
Emiliano Insúa Club Atlético Boca Juniors Loan fee:
£90k
Nabil El Zhar AS Saint-Étienne B Free Transfer
Fábio Aurélio Valencia CF Free Transfer
Robbie Fowler Manchester City Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 05/06
Players Club
Mohamed Sissoko Valencia CF £10.80m
Peter Crouch Southampton FC £9.45m
Pepe Reina Villarreal CF £8.82m
Daniel Agger Bröndby IF £7.88m
Mark González Albacete Balompié £2.25m
Besian Idrizaj LASK £248k
Jack Hobbs Lincoln City £203k
Jan Kromkamp Villarreal CF Swap deal
Miki Roqué UE Lleida Free Transfer
Ramon Calliste Manchester United U23 Free Transfer
Antonio Barragán Sevilla FC B Free Transfer
Boudewijn Zenden Middlesbrough FC Free Transfer
David Martin Milton Keynes Dons Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 04/05
Players Club
Djibril Cissé AJ Auxerre £18.00m
Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £14.40m
Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £8.33m
Luis García FC Barcelona £7.88m
Josemi Málaga CF £2.70m
Scott Carson Leeds United £1.26m
Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia CF Free Transfer
Antonio Núñez Real Madrid Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 03/04
Players Club
Harry Kewell Leeds United £9.00m
Steve Finnan Fulham FC £4.73m
Florent Sinama-Pongolle AC Le Havre £360k
Darren Potter Blackburn Rovers U18 Free Transfer
Carl Medjani AS Saint-Étienne B Free Transfer
Paul Jones Southampton FC Loan
ARRIVALS 02/03
Players Club
El-Hadji Diouf RC Lens £13.50m
Salif Diao CS Sedan-Ardennes £6.75m
Bruno Cheyrou LOSC Lille £5.85m
Anthony Le Tallec AC Le Havre U19 £2.25m
Patrice Luzi AC Ajaccio Free Transfer
Alou Diarra Bayern Munich Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 01/02
Players Club
Chris Kirkland Coventry City £7.38m
Jerzy Dudek Feyenoord Rotterdam £6.66m
Milan Baros FC Banik Ostrava £6.30m
John Arne Riise AS Monaco £5.49m
Nicolas Anelka Paris Saint-Germain Loan fee:
£1.26m
Abel Xavier Everton FC £1.08m
ARRIVALS 00/01
Players Club
Nick Barmby Everton FC £8.10m
Christian Ziege Middlesbrough FC £8.10m
Igor Biscan GNK Dinamo Zagreb £7.43m
Bernard Diomède AJ Auxerre £4.05m
Daniel Sjölund West Ham United £1.35m
Gary McAllister Coventry City £900k
Grégory Vignal HSC Montpellier £675k
Markus Babbel Bayern Munich Free Transfer
Jari Litmanen FC Barcelona Free Transfer
Pegguy Arphexad Leicester City Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 99/00
Players Club
Emile Heskey Leicester City £14.85m
Dietmar Hamann Newcastle United £10.80m
Vladimir Smicer RC Lens £6.12m
Sander Westerveld Vitesse Arnhem £5.40m
Stéphane Henchoz Blackburn Rovers £4.86m
Sami Hyypiä Willem II Tilburg £4.05m
Erik Meijer Bayer 04 Leverkusen Free Transfer
Titi Camara Olympique Marseille ?
ARRIVALS 98/99
Players Club
Vegard Heggem Rosenborg BK £4.68m
Rigobert Song US Salernitana 1919 £3.22m
Sean Dundee Karlsruher SC £2.48m
Frode Kippe Lilleström SK £945k
Djimi Traoré Stade Laval £720k
Steve Staunton Aston Villa Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 97/98
Players Club
Paul Ince FC Internazionale £5.67m
Öyvind Leonhardsen Wimbledon FC £4.73m
Danny Murphy Crewe Alexandra £2.70m
Karl-Heinz Riedle Borussia Dortmund £2.25m
Brad Friedel Columbus Crew SC £1.35m
Jørgen Nielsen Hvidovre IF Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 96/97
Players Club
Patrik Berger Borussia Dortmund £3.15m
Bjørn Tore Kvarme Rosenborg BK Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 95/96
Players Club
Stan Collymore Nottingham Forest £11.70m
Jason McAteer Bolton Wanderers £5.63m
Stephen Pears Middlesbrough FC Free Transfer
ARRIVALS 94/95
Players Club
Phil Babb Coventry City £4.88m
John Scales Wimbledon FC £3.51m
Mark Kennedy Millwall FC £1.85m
Michael Stensgaard Hvidovre IF £432k
ARRIVALS 93/94
Players Club
Nigel Clough Nottingham Forest £2.48m
Julian Dicks West Ham United £2.03m
Neil Ruddock Tottenham Hotspur £2.5m
ARRIVALS 92/93
Players Club
Paul Stewart Tottenham Hotspur £2.48m
David James Watford FC £1.26m
Torben Piechnik FC Copenhagen £0.5m
Lee Jones Wrexham AFC £0.3m
Stig Inge Björnebye Rosenborg BK ?

It really depends then on how you calculate NPV (what inflation rate you take)

888NabyKeita8 said:

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so.... i think this things record has been abysmal in the past.

Some of you on here have far too much time on your hands.

I hope you are spending my tax money wisely on beer and drugs

jaffaklopp said:

You do have to consider net spend though, because a lot of our spending has followed losing a big asset.

Owen didn't go for much back then, but we wasted the money and swap deal
Mascherano and Alonso and then Torres. Complete waste of all that money
Suarez, may aswell lost him on a free
Sterling went for a lot and we wasted it yet again.

Coutinho more recently, at least this time we have bought top talent. That is probably the first time we didn't just spend for spend sake

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Add to those names Steve McManaman who ran his contract down and left on a Bosman, we lost a decent fee on a player who was a bigger star for them than Owen.

Can't blame Martin O'Neill kicking off about the Danish football crisis, how the **** can Uefa/FIFA allow them to play in an international tournament while the current situation exists.
There's a possibility that Wales might play a Danish team made up of Futsal players before it's ironed out and ROI having to play the full international team after it is sorted out.

FSG's Last Stand said:

Can't blame Martin O'Neill kicking off about the Danish football crisis, how the **** can Uefa/FIFA allow them to play in an international tournament while the current situation exists.
There's a possibility that Wales might play a Danish team made up of Futsal players before it's ironed out and ROI having to play the full international team after it is sorted out.

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Theyre only friendly games, nobody cares about them anyway

InBiscanWeTrust said:

Theyre only friendly games, nobody cares about them anyway

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The NL is very important to the smaller nations and are not friendlies.

Group B4 of the Nations League.
Denmark
Republic of Ireland
Wales

Denmark's next game is Wales, and that's where the problem begins if they play a 5 a-side team, by the time Ireland play them it could be sorted.

FSG's Last Stand said:

The NL is very important to the smaller nations and are not friendlies.

Group B4 of the Nations League.
Denmark
Republic of Ireland
Wales

Denmark's next game is Wales, and that's where the problem begins if they play a 5 a-side team, by the time Ireland play them it could be sorted.

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Just ban the Irish and Welsh teams from any tournament. Problem solved

And ban the danish as well. tell them to sort their **** out

jenners04 said:

Just ban the Irish and Welsh teams from any tournament. Problem solved

And ban the danish as well. tell them to sort their **** out

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Yeah, that would simplify things

BobbyD said:

bit of a **** list. Just looking at most chances missed rather than doing a ratio of big chances to goals.

The longer you play the more big chances you are going to miss!

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Also check which chances would have mattered

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888NabyKeita8 said:

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Premier League 2018/19 final table: Super Computer predicts where every team will finish – September update
With four games gone, we look at how the table could shape up...

https://talksport.com/football/419246/premier-league-201819-super-computer/

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Everton 7th

Wrong

FSG's Last Stand said:

The NL is very important to the smaller nations and are not friendlies.

Group B4 of the Nations League.
Denmark
Republic of Ireland
Wales

Denmark's next game is Wales, and that's where the problem begins if they play a 5 a-side team, by the time Ireland play them it could be sorted.

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No... it’s a bunch of friendlies put into a ‘league’ that no one is going to care about because it’s not the WC or Euros.

Do you think they players that have pulled out for these games would have done so if it was a WC? No... proving that the players don’t see hem as anything more than friendlies

jenners04 said:

Just ban the Irish and Welsh teams from any tournament. Problem solved

And ban the danish as well. tell them to sort their **** out

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Just ban everyone except England. Might have a chance of winning then.

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I'd like exemption from Brexit on the grounds that I think it's a ****ing stupid idea.

InBiscanWeTrust said:

No... it’s a bunch of friendlies put into a ‘league’ that no one is going to care about because it’s not the WC or Euros.

Do you think they players that have pulled out for these games would have done so if it was a WC? No... proving that the players don’t see hem as anything more than friendlies

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So, you think managers would not object to their best players being called up if the games were no more than "friendlies"?
As Dribs said players can pick up serious injuries in these games that could have a bearing on a clubs season.
Like I said, these games are important to the smaller nations who will play full strength teams in their matches.