Match Day Thread Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

Ahead of Tottenham game , Lallana and Simon Mignolet are injured.

 

Well what’s Brighton’s is saying is that 119m last year is now actually worth 111m now so in last year inflation was at -1%?

 

That is simply unbelievable. We are the 2nd biggest spenders and spent more than the mancs ?

Over that period, the mancs have achieved much more than us. But not only them. City, Arsenal, Chelsea have all performed more than us.

Proof that we’ve seriously underachieved and it is high time we got some more back in return

 

Man City and Chelsea's big spends came when their sugar daddies arrived but yeah Arsenal titles wise have done better for less spent and of the other two, Man City spent the early part of the Premier League years in the 2nd and 3rd tiers of English football and couldn't afford a lot to piddle in.
But yeah Carl in terms of the bigger trophies we've underachieved for the amount spent.

 

Are you just referring to league titles?

If we had won the extra 2 cl finals and 1 Europa final would that have been a reasonable return?

 

Yeah, I think not winning league titles(bread and butter)should have been a priority considering the mancs started closing in on our record and eventually overtook it.
But like you say it's a reasonable return for the outlay.

 

So the Premier League will use VAR in 5 3pm KO games on the 15th of this month, the two games excluded are the ones that will probably need it most, us v spurs and watford v man u.

 

I don't think we haven't prioritised the league, we just haven't won it. We have been and continue to be a good cup side. Title wins need consistency and strength in depth which Klopp is addressing. For the first time in a long time we've got decent bench options.

 

Agreed, and our spending has been a testament to our club's ambition but over the years we've either recruited wrongly or been to loyal to former/long time servants of the club who weren't up to the job at the time.

 

Using it odd games makes for a unfair playing field

 

Spot on, should be used for all games or no games, there's bound to be at least one incident in our game where a big decision goes the wrong way, same in the Watford v Manc game.

 

I think that table is very misleadng, it would be better to include the amounts sold also as
Teams like spurs would not be anywhere near the top i dont think

 

Of course this table has got nothing to do with actual spend by the clubs. But in a way it is more accurate that net spend. It shows the value or cost of the players arriving at the club.

Man City and Man United may have spent huge amounts net by bringing expensive players but in a way we have brought expensive players too so that in terms of cost or quality we can compare with them.

There can be no argument now that we did bring costly players to the club. May be we overpaid but we certainly cannot pretend anymore that we have overachieved with the players we brought and the budget we had over the years.

 

No it doesn’t. It shows we’ve spent a lot of money but doesn’t show how costly the players were.

For that hat you’d need an average cost of player, 2 clubs could have spent 200m but one brought 2 players for 100 and one brough 20 players for 10. Both spent the same but ones brought costly players while the other has brought a lot.

Id imagine our cost per player average would see us drop down below united city and maybe arsenal because during Houllier and rafas days we were buying lots of players for meh prices to bulk out the squad without ever actually improving it which was the issue. Where as United were spending similar money but on 2/3 high quality players to improve their first team (something we’ve now started doing)

 

So Wales might actually stand a chance...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45429116

 

Tbf i wasnt really thinking of us but just the fact that it is a misrepresentation, largely for the reasons you detailed. Also the ‘in todays money’ is a load of tripe too. Their are too many varibles in that.
Not something for me but no disrespect to those who see its merits

 

highly highly suspect.

if.one round of season is getting.var then all games in round should get it.

 

Still not a level playing field.

 

Of course it does not prove that LFC bought costly players. But are we saying that during a long period we bought 2000 players at less than 1 million pounds instead of 50 players at around 40 million? That our shopping habits were closer to Swindon Town than to the Top 4 or 6 in terms of the price of our players? Of course some of those players we bought were costly.

We chose to spend the money in the way we did. No one forced us to spend on more cheaper players instead on fewer expensive ones. That was the club’s strategy. How many of us decried the likes of Chelsea and City of ‘buying’ the title by spending huge amounts on few players when in the overall analysis we spent as much as them. The difference is that with the money they spent they transformed their teams and squads. LFC didn’t until now.

It is not that we didn’t match the City’s and the Chelseas. We did in volume but not in quality. We are now, in buying the most expensive GK and CB in the world (at one time).

And that is why to expect us to win the title against the likes of City and Chelsea and Man U is not in the realm of fantasy.

 

Its still all about NPV. Of course we spent shed loads. we all know it. We threw it about chasing bargains and brought several managers whole new teams but were always in or about 6th and so.

As i said why do it from 1992. its irrelevant time.

10 years = 2008.
20 years = 1998

either of those were load and loads of time to go back with such and analysis.