The EU debate - Part III

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Stan said:
The Daily Saxton has turned on the robots. They're as bad as the immigrants and must be stopped!

Robots to steal 15million of your jobs, says bank chief: Doom-laden Carney warns middle classes will be 'hollowed out' by new technology

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-middle-classes-hollowed-new-technology.html
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Pete will be the new John Connor and single-handedly defeat these robots that threaten his way of life. Imagine robot accountants that don't need kitchens!
 
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steveninaster1 said:
It's not really sensationalist. The need for clerical staff in a modern office has all but disappeared now the shift to paperless is real. Much of my work is aimed at automating and reducing staff numbers using interfaces and batch processes.
Manufacturing requires fewer workers than it did and it reflects in the shift to service sector jobs.

Extra leisure time dream isnt divorced from the reality, those with leisure time exist as pensioners who live longer and have grown hugely as a proportion of the population.

The dream for working age people isn't real as automation increases profit for corporations and reduces income by shifting us all into the jobs machines can't currently do and that have been generated by machines ( delivery from online shopping is the best example of this).
Technology has taken much longer than the dreamers envisaged but there is no doubt in my mind that Google, Uber and Apple are not spending huge sums on driverless cars for no reason.
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You're making a different point to the one I was making.
I understand technology in the workplace and have been part of it for the last 25 years.
The story was sensationalist because it mentioned 15m job losses. That was the same claim in the 80's. What it doesn't mention is that a large percentage of these displaced jobs will be replaced by other forms of employment as people adapt.
 
pieguts said:
You're making a different point to the one I was making.
I understand technology in the workplace and have been part of it for the last 25 years.
The story was sensationalist because it mentioned 15m job losses. That was the same claim in the 80's. What it doesn't mention is that a large percentage of these displaced jobs will be replaced by other forms of employment as people adapt.
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Can't say I really care about the numbers. Usually someone says upto x and the press translate as x to sensationalise.
 
steveninaster1 said:
Can't say I really care about the numbers. Usually someone says upto x and the press translate as x to sensationalise.
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But it was you who made the comment "I can't really dispute any of this" and " it's not really sensationalist", then went on to tell me how automation has wiped out jobs.
All I commented on was that I heard the same stories back in the 80's, similar employment numbers were used and whilst technology has changed the employment landscape, employment has never been higher.
 
Custard the controller said:
funny that I work in Brum, in an area that is barely white.

Anything else you wish to add and make a fool of yourself?
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Do you share your views on how you'd not live in anything other than a white anglo saxon area, with the non whites that you no doubt work with?

You closet racist **** house
 
pieguts said:
But it was you who made the comment "I can't really dispute any of this" and " it's not really sensationalist", then went on to tell me how automation has wiped out jobs.
All I commented on was that I heard the same stories back in the 80's, similar employment numbers were used and whilst technology has changed the employment landscape, employment has never been higher.
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I beleive the point being made by Carney to be true, that it wasnt sensationalist and that technology is in the process of replacing many everyday jobs and that we will have to change how society works. As I said before, we always overestimate the speed of technology but that doesn't mean change isn't happening. I firmly believe the automation of transport is the tipping point that will bring those challenges.

What I don't buy into is the press interpretation.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
As expected, May has more trouble from her own party

http://news.sky.com/story/tory-brexit-rebellion-could-force-pm-to-reveal-eu-exit-plans-10684902
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If the rumours about her 3 line Bill re: Article 50 are correct (and I suspect they are) then she'll fully deserve to be voted down by bringing that to the House, as she'd be taking the piss.

It all comes back to the same thing, they haven't got a coherent plan, they're flip flopping all over the place, and therefore don't want the scrutiny that'll expose that simple fact. This is why they're fighting the court case.
 
steveninaster1 said:
I beleive the point being made by Carney to be true, that it wasnt sensationalist and that technology is in the process of replacing many everyday jobs and that we will have to change how society works. As I said before, we always overestimate the speed of technology but that doesn't mean change isn't happening. I firmly believe the automation of transport is the tipping point that will bring those challenges.

What I don't buy into is the press interpretation.
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So which bit of the healine was written to catch the eye of the reader?
The bit around technology and automation, which has been steadily increasing over the last 30 years or the fact that 15m jobs could be displaced.
I'll give you a clue...it wasn't technology.
That's why I claimed that these sensationalist headlines have been made before, in respect of people being displaced.
All the time profit comes before any social responsibility, technology will continue to move forward at a fast pace. Only when the technology costs more than the profits it's expected to generate, will the tide turn.
As for automation of transport, I believe the technology exists. What we don't have is the infrastructure to support the roll out of this technology. Somehow fully autonomous transport and "pot holes" don't mix!!
 
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pieguts said:
So which bit of the healine was written to catch the eye of the reader?
The bit around technology and automation, which has been steadily increasing over the last 30 years or the fact that 15m jobs could be displaced.
I'll give you a clue...it wasn't technology.
That's why I claimed that these sensationalist headlines have been made before, in respect of people being displaced.
All the time profit comes before any social responsibility, technology will continue to move forward at a fast pace. Only when the technology costs more than the profits it's expected to generate, will the tide turn.
As for automation of transport, I believe the technology exists. What we don't have is the infrastructure to support the roll out of this technology. Somehow fully autonomous transport and "pot holes" don't mix!!
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We are talking at cross purposes. All press use sensationalist headlines so I take that as a given. The underlying story is not.

Automated transport has already been rolled out in Greenwich with the GATEway project and will spread over time. From the other direction, automated features are appearing in private cars ( mine parks/unparks itself, has adaptive cruise control and collision avoidance warnings ).
I expect to see autonomous only areas appear in city centres and autonomous only lanes on motorways as the tech evolves, leading to a change in road furniture over time.
 
steveninaster1 said:
We are talking at cross purposes. All press use sensationalist headlines so I take that as a given. The underlying story is not.

Automated transport has already been rolled out in Greenwich with the GATEway project and will spread over time. From the other direction, automated features are appearing in private cars ( mine parks/unparks itself, has adaptive cruise control and collision avoidance warnings ).
I expect to see autonomous only areas appear in city centres and autonomous only lanes on motorways as the tech evolves, leading to a change in road furniture over time.
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Fully automated transport systems have been around for years, unfortunately it still requires a level of infrastructure investment for this happen. That's why, I believe I will never see the widespread type of technology you are talking of, in my lifetime (in the U.K.). We simply don't have the funding or space to do it. We barely keep on top of necessary infrastructure improvements (rail and road).
The automated features that you have in your car are described as driver aids. This technology will continue to grow as it becomes more affordable. It wasn't that many years ago when a radio was considered an optional extra!
 
pieguts said:
Fully automated transport systems have been around for years, unfortunately it still requires a level of infrastructure investment for this happen. That's why, I believe I will never see the widespread type of technology you are talking of, in my lifetime (in the U.K.). We simply don't have the funding or space to do it. We barely keep on top of necessary infrastructure improvements (rail and road).
The automated features that you have in your car are described as driver aids. This technology will continue to grow as it becomes more affordable. It wasn't that many years ago when a radio was considered an optional extra!
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You are correct that those driver aids are the forerunners of full automation in the same way extras in cars have evolved.
Autonomous vehicles require less infrastructure than a conventionally driven car so this is something we disagree on. They require no road signs, roundabouts,traffic lights and can safety be driven much closer together so need less lanes to operate in. The problem is how they could operate with non autonomous vehicles. That is why I beleive the tech currently in the Tesla and being developed by others will gradually be built into all cars to the point where it will be mandatory to have it on in certain locations, it's not hard to see where that leads.
 
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