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So would I. But people are angry that a racist, bigot, disabled mocking guy is now president. You can tell from his twitter post how he is going to be.
Yeah, I get that. I was horrified and surprised when I woke up and saw he'd won. I don't support Trump at all, I just think some, maybe most, of the reaction to this on both sides is fanning the flames. Attacking gay people is wrong, but burning flags and rioting are also wrong. What happened to "When they go low, we go high"?
That's when things go their way. There is a lot of stuff that shouldn't be done. Doesn't mean you don't ever do something else for fear of what might piggyback it. People attacking minorities and feeling empowered should be dealt with. People who riot should too.
Protesting isn't a problem..........unless you are Farage it seems
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I get your point, but we need to be careful about unintentionally creating false equivalencies. Some things are more wrong than others. Not saying you don't get that, but it's been a problem through most of this election cycle.
But we also need to be careful about pointing at one side or another and claiming they are worse. There have also been reports of Trump supporters beaten up. Let's not forget that a North Carolina Republican office was firebombed just a few weeks ago.
Although I do think you actually hit the nail on the head with your Michelle Obama quote. She and/or her husband could really help defuse the situation here on both sides with some calming words. Trump can't do it, because his mere appearance might just fire up the idiots more, plus he absolutely sucks at these situations and has already kind of blown it.
But it is a problem of sides ISIRTP. CNN are banging on about "Trump needs to come out and denounce............." over the instances of people getting beat up and children in schools chanting "white power" or "build a wall" to their hispanic classmates but they are not saying the reverse about Obama calming the protestors.
We see this all the time. One side is demonished for not speaking out while the other "acceptable" argument does not get the same pressure.
In reality they should all address those that are causing problems in the name of each side but the pressure is all on the right leaning to do it without ever putting the pressure on the left side.
Because Trump **** the bed as usual. He said the protesters were paid. Then he said he was proud they were being patriots. No one knows what he is talking about. And then Trump's idiot spokesperson publicly called upon Obama to do something, instead of being a normal, sane person and appealing to him privately.
Yes, Obama should try and fix this. I assume he will in just a bit. But Obama is not always going to be there to dig Trump out of the foolish holes he digs himself.
Actually I was brought up a Catholic. Believe me, I've done with prayer.
Besides, the point that you missed was that kneeling down and praying gave them the excuse to be ***** for the rest of the time.
No, you are doing the lefty habit of taking things quite literally. I can see what he is saying but you seem not to be able to. He is talking about what we call rent-a-mob.
He means that there are organisations that have got their supporters out there. Van Jones denied it this morning and was very quickly reminded that last night he named 6 organisations that were involved in getting these demos out. Unsurprisingly Van Jones then started to try and backtrack and change tack.
Donald is just using the word professional to mean rent-a-mob. We say rent-a-mob but we don't mean they are paid. They are just organised groups and then it is presented in the media as spontaneous and others join in the protest of their own accord.
As for the confused tweets it is quite obvious to people who aren't trying to make a point of things, that Trump has made his tweet about professional protestors (rent-a-mob) and then one of his team has jumped in and said "Donald, can't say that these days because people will make something out of it" and he has then been advised of a "positive spin" to put on it.
That is the very real problem in this day and age where every word is scrutinised and people choose to take things literally when it suits them.
As for the "Trump's idiot spokesperson" bit. CNN has had multiple commentators all day saying that Trump should be publically condoning the actions of those that feel empowered. Laughably they have even been saying he should be saying something to calm down the protests. Yes, thats right they are suggesting that Trump should be speaking out to calm down the anti-Trump protestors. I think only once did I hear that Hillary or Obama should say anything.
What do they want Trump to say? "I give up guys, Hillary can have it."
People need to stop pretending they don't know what someone means just because it suits them to take comments literally. We use the term rent-a-mob all the time over here. It just means the usual organised groups that are seen at every demo. We have them here too. It doesn't mean they have been rented or paid. It just means it is the usual suspects.
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Trump was the person that enabled these people. The people that voted for Trump enabled these people. The **** he has said is disgusting. He is a embaressment on Twitter even before you realise he is the president next year. Any one sticking up for 99% of the GOP views are in my book disgusting.
Oh look.....
So "repeal Obamacare" has fully morphed into "privatize Medicare" now:
During the campaign, coverage of the issues was blotted out by coverage of Hillary Clinton’s emails and Donald Trump’s broad suite of sociopathic tendencies. And of the issues that did receive any attention, a conspicuously missing one was Paul Ryan’s plan to push Medicare beneficiaries into private health insurance. Reporters just assumed that, since Trump never talked about it, it won’t happen. But Paul Ryan still wants it to happen. And in a Fox News interview with Bret Baier, Ryan said Medicare privatization is on.
“Your solution has always been to put things together, including entitlement reform,” says Baier, using Republican code for privatizing Medicare. Ryan replies, “If you’re going to repeal and replace Obamacare, you have to address those issues as well. … Medicare has got some serious issues because of Obamacare. So those things are part of our plan to replace Obamacare.”
Ryan tells Baier, “Because of Obamacare, Medicare is going broke.” This is false. In fact, it’s the complete opposite of the truth. The Medicare trust fund has been extended 11 years as a result of the passage of Obamacare, whose cost reforms have helped bring health care inflation to historic lows. It is also untrue that repealing Obamacare requires changing traditional Medicare. But Ryan clearly believes he needs to make this claim in order to sell his plan, or probably even to convince fellow Republicans to support it.
Guardian journalist quips "It's about time for a Presidential assassination."
Now if I were so inclined I could take what she is saying quite literally and make a big fuss about it. But I know that she is just joking. Will she be castigated if someone does assassinate a president?
And when right leaning publications flag this up it isn't to cause outrage. It is to point out that those who are always picking up on the slightest thing are actually in glass houses and should be careful about picking stones up. Like the grammar police where more often than not when they pick up someone's grammar they make a mistake themselves.
http://order-order.com/2016/11/11/g...sidential-assassination-call-deletes-account/
Now if I were so inclined I could take what she is saying quite literally and make a big fuss about it. But I know that she is just joking. Will she be castigated if someone does assassinate a president?
And when right leaning publications flag this up it isn't to cause outrage. It is to point out that those who are always picking up on the slightest thing are actually in glass houses and should be careful about picking stones up. Like the grammar police where more often than not when they pick up someone's grammar they make a mistake themselves.
http://order-order.com/2016/11/11/g...sidential-assassination-call-deletes-account/
Both sides have said disgusting things. The other side manipulating demographics is just as bad. Both parties are "enabling" this fight against each other. They are using people as pawns to suit their own purposes.
They are both disgusting.
Nope. One side is clearly worse then the other. To claim they are just as bad as each other is wrong.
That is not true at all. They are both as bad. They both are guilty of targeted exploitation of people as tools to get what they want. Neither cares about what happens to those demographics and when something bad does happen they just blame each other for what they caused themselves.
The left continually shout out about the right and get away with using exactly the same tactics. They are now bandying about the term demagogue because they've worn out the racist, bigot card and they fail to see that is exactly what they do themselves.
I am a woman so all you women vote for me. Blacks and Latinos, the republicans hate you so vote for me. Young people vote for me because those guys are your enemies.
Both sides are equally to blame for this and are both equally as disgusting. Do you really think people like Soros care about the demographics they are pretending to care about? They fund groups to stir up trouble to further their own causes and then they blame the other side when what they stir up causes a bigger problem than it already was. They aren't bothered about a solution or real progress. they want to maintain the status quo because if the divides disappeared they would have lost their power over each demographic.
Can't agree at all, I didn't see Hillary do any of the **** Trump did. I also don't see people of Hillary's side wanting gays to have therapy etc. I don't know how you can say both are the same.
Yeah, because he should. Why do you feel that is unfair? I don't think it would help much with the protesters themselves, but it would at least reassure the rest of America to know the President-elect is at least appealing for calm. Outreach is a part of the job.
I believe that bush won in 2004 even though he had less votes. US system is pretty strange, but its their system and he won fair. Obama will be remembered as the guy that promised much but delivered nothing, though his hands were always tied by congress. Congress should have some of thier powers taken away, the people voted for Obama and he could not do his job because of congress. i have wanted trump to win from day 1, glad that Clinton and Clinton lost. My one problem that I have with trump is how he handles the 11 million illegals, this could rip the country apart. for me he should draw a line in the sand and say if you were here beforeI became president then you can stay and become a citizen, if you arrived after you will be thrown out, if you commit a major crime upto 10 years after you become a citizen you will first be jailed, all your property becomes the states and then you get deported.
Hoping Trump can do a good job, doubt if at 75 he will run in 4 years time so he needs to crack on
Hoping Trump can do a good job, doubt if at 75 he will run in 4 years time so he needs to crack on