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Russian President Vladimir Putin has sent a congratulatory telegram to Donald Trump following his success in the US election.
Trump defeated Hillary Clinton in one of the most contentious elections in US history.
In a telegram to Trump, Putin said the dialogue between Moscow and Washington must serve the interest of both countries.
Putin also said he hopes to work on international issues with the President-elect.
President Barack Obama had frosty relationship with Putin, with America furious over Russia’s involvement in the Syrian conflict.
Earlier, the French ambassador to the United States tweeted that the "world is collapsing before our eyes" as Donald Trump looks set to become US President.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/usele...-donald-trump/ar-AAk522z?li=BBqMfLz&ocid=iehp
 
saintKlopp said:
This has been coming for a long time. It's really no different to having Boris ****ing Johnson as UK Foreign Secretary. Satirists might as well hang up their boots because no parody could be any more absurd than the current reality.
If there really were aliens watching us all the time they'd be pissing themselves laughing at how spectacularly stupid we can be.
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Satirists at the moment will be like one of those **** football movies. Why make fake entertainment out of something that's entertaining enough to watch for real? You couldn't beat this ****.
 
Well, I feared this and said so -a right Jerimiah! <doh> I actually feel worse than I did after Brexit. I was on earlies on Tuesday and I'm not back in till 22.00 tonight, so I tried to stay up and watch it after having a kip on the couch from 8 till 11. Could be why I feel so devastatingly ****ed physically. I managed till about 3.30am, when all hope was gone, but I still woke up again at 4.30 and put on the telly in the bedroom (which was still on full ****ing volume and must have woke the whole street up) just to get the confirmation that it wasn't a nightmare. But it is a real, waking, living nightmare.

A thing I''ll always remember from last night is the premature jubilation @ 1am from the BBC panel when the first exit polls were released, specifically from Florida. Now I'd been flicking to and from CNN which were analysing county by county, comparing year on year, and although this Latino surge was happening in the urban areas, the guy on there was the first to offer caution that the rural areas where the count was slower (and were predominantly white working class/poor) were showing a record turnout too, and that were slowly turning red. And so it extrapolated to all the poor white, rural areas in the swing states -the hicks were mobilising every bit as much as the black/hispanic/women vote, just as in Brexit.

I texted my daughter @ 2.30 to say it was all over bar the shouting, as apart from likely losing Florida, it became evident, on CNN's brilliant coverage and analysis, that she was not going to win N.Carolina, Ohio; and even Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were crumbling, and all in the same white, poor/working class areas.

As said, it's the Year of the Hick, and populism in my opinion, is spreading through the western world as a response to globalisation, yada, yada, yada. But what do they, or indeed Hartlepool Man and Barnsley Man over here now expect? Manufacturing factories in every small town? Call centres and burger bars with no rights and conditions, if they're lucky. What happens if Wiggy scraps international trade deals with China and India? Do they not remember Japan in the 50's and 60's? I'll tell you what, Chinese built, Chrysler-looking cars all over the world at half the price; so too Chinese built I-phone-looking handsets, and Chinese made Coke-looking soft drinks too.

I could go on, but the idea of uniting internationally for better workers' rights and conditions is now a pipe dream along with memories of Kier Hardie's cap. Hartlepool/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Barnsley/Michigan man is not interested in fighting (and sacrificing) for a better future - it's far easier to vote for a promise that it's all someone, something else's fault that is different to them, and that there's an easy solution.

In the 80's the US gave us "Greed is good". This decade, along with the English (and others to doubtless follow) we're getting "Hate is good".

Who would have thought a billionaire tax-dodging reality TV personality would somehow become an anti-establishment figure? Not exactly Che Guavara, is he? What's the betting odds for Kim Kardashian in 2024, I wonder... :emoticon-0112-wonde
 
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saintKlopp said:
This has been coming for a long time. It's really no different to having Boris ****ing Johnson as UK Foreign Secretary. Satirists might as well hang up their boots because no parody could be any more absurd than the current reality.
If there really were aliens watching us all the time they'd be pissing themselves laughing at how spectacularly stupid we can be.
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I thought Reagan as president was ludicrous but this is many levels worse.
 
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donga darko said:
Well, I feared this and said so -a right Jerimiah! <doh> I actually feel worse than I did after Brexit. I was on earlies on Tuesday and I'm not back in till 22.00 tonight, so I tried to stay up and watch it after having a kip on the couch from 8 till 11. Could be why I feel so devastatingly ****ed physically. I managed till about 3.30am, when all hope was gone, but I still woke up again at 4.30 and put on the telly in the bedroom (which was still on full ****ing volume and must have woke the whole street up) just to get the confirmation that it wasn't a nightmare. But it is a real, waking, living nightmare.

A thing I''ll always remember from last night is the premature jubilation @ 1am from the BBC panel when the first exit polls were released, specifically from Florida. Now I'd been flicking to and from CNN which were analysing county by county, comparing year on year, and although this Latino surge was happening in the urban areas, the guy on there was the first to offer caution that the rural areas where the count was slower (and were predominantly white working class/poor) were showing a record turnout too, and that were slowly turning red. And so it extrapolated to all the poor white, rural areas in the swing states -the hicks were mobilising every bit as much as the black/hispanic/women vote, just as in Brexit.

I texted my daughter @ 2.30 to say it was all over bar the shouting, as apart from likely losing Florida, it became on CNN's brilliant coverage and analysis that she was not going to win S.Carolina, Ohio, and even Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin were crumbling, and all in the same white, poor/working class areas.

As said, it's the Year of the Hick, and populism in my opinion, is spreading through the western world as a response to globalisation, yada, yada, yada. But what do they, or indeed Hartlepool Man and Barnsley Man over here now expect? Manufacturing factories in every small town? Call centres and burger bars with no rights and conditions, if they're lucky. What happens if Wiggy scraps international trade deals with China and India? Do they not remember Japan in the 50's and 60's? I'll tell you what, Chinese built, Chrysler-looking cars all over the world at half the price; so too Chinese built I-phone-looking handsets, and Chinese made Coke-looking soft drinks too.

I could go on, but the idea of uniting internationally for better workers' rights and conditions is now a pipe dream along with memories of Kier Hardie's cap. Hartlepool/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Barnsley/Michigan man is not interested in fighting (and sacrificing) for a better future - it's far easier to vote for a promise that it's all someone, something else's fault that is different to them, and that there's an easy solution.

In the 80's the US gave us "Greed is good". This decade, along with the English (and others to doubtless follow) we're getting "Hate is good".

Who would have thought a billionaire tax-dodging reality TV personality would somehow become an anti-establishment figure? Not exactly Che Guavara, is he? What's the betting odds for Kim Kardashian in 2024, I wonder... :emoticon-0112-wonde
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Pretty bad that a racist and mysogynist like Trump could get into power. It does not give the country a good image and will allow people to think they can be racist and misogynist like trump.

Having said that it is not a surprise that trump is in. They thought they could just keep putting down trumps personality rather than his policies. What white working class want is there way of life which has been destroyed by globalisation. Not just that, they feel marginalised as PC has taken over the world and they can see the status quo does not work for them.

You mention cheap cars and cheap phones, i'm not sure the working class care about that sort of stuff. That's probably more relevant to the young.

I'm fairly educated and in a well paid job and even i think the political elite are taking the piss and filling their own pockets and i feel resentful.

I can only imagine how a poor person must feel, resigned to the scrap heap whilst the rich get richer and move their jobs away. Voting for trump was a vote for hope (similar to what Obama promised) and a vote for changing the status quo
 
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BobbyD said:
Everyone has underestimated how poor people and people living in the dark ages and


Pretty bad that a racist and mysogynist like Trump could get into power. It does not give the country a good image and will allow people to think they can be racist and misogynist like trump.

Having said that it is not a surprise that trump is in. They thought they could just keep putting down trumps personality rather than his policies. What white working class want is there way of life which has been destroyed by globalisation. Not just that, they feel marginalised as PC has taken over the world and they can see the status quo does not work for them.

You mention cheap cars and cheap phones, i'm not sure the working class care about that sort of stuff. That's probably more relevant to the young.

I'm fairly educated and in a well paid job and even i think the political elite are taking the piss and filling their own pockets and i feel resentful.

I can only imagine how a poor person must feel, resigned to the scrap heap whilst the rich get richer and move their jobs away. Voting for trump was a vote for hope (similar to what Obama promised) and a vote for changing the status quo
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I agree with this until the last bit. Do you really believe Trump has the slightest interest in the poor and underprivileged - other than getting their votes?
Nothing will improve for them in the long term. The inexorable growth in the wealth gap is a result of unrestricted trade and deregulation - there are few safety measures in place to prevent the already wealthy from exploiting others to gain even more riches.
I can't see Donald Trump being the Champion of the downtrodden, can you?
 
saintKlopp said:
I agree with this until the last bit. Do you really believe Trump has the slightest interest in the poor and underprivileged - other than getting their votes?
Nothing will improve for them in the long term. The inexorable growth in the wealth gap is a result of unrestricted trade and deregulation - there are few safety measures in place to prevent the already wealthy from exploiting others to gain even more riches.
I can't see Donald Trump being the Champion of the downtrodden, can you?
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i didn't say he was going to help the poor. I said the poor think he will help them and they voted on the basis that trump may help them (hoping he is rich enough that he doesn't need to be richer - very unlikely not) whereas a vote for hillary with all her corruption claims was a certainty to be voting more of the same.
 
BobbyD said:
Everyone has underestimated how poor people and people living in the dark ages and


Pretty bad that a racist and mysogynist like Trump could get into power. It does not give the country a good image and will allow people to think they can be racist and misogynist like trump.

Having said that it is not a surprise that trump is in. They thought they could just keep putting down trumps personality rather than his policies. What white working class want is there way of life which has been destroyed by globalisation. Not just that, they feel marginalised as PC has taken over the world and they can see the status quo does not work for them.

You mention cheap cars and cheap phones, i'm not sure the working class care about that sort of stuff. That's probably more relevant to the young.

I'm fairly educated and in a well paid job and even i think the political elite are taking the piss and filling their own pockets and i feel resentful.

I can only imagine how a poor person must feel, resigned to the scrap heap whilst the rich get richer and move their jobs away. Voting for trump was a vote for hope (similar to what Obama promised) and a vote for changing the status quo
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I mean it in the context of being delusional about Hartlepool Man's fantasies about about new factories being opened up in every town - not if the Chinese, Indians and Brazillians starting knocking out cheap copies of everything there won't be.

We all know (and despise) that the elite (like Trump) are'taking the piss', as you put it, but the elite will ride this wave of populism and adapt it, as they did with 30's populism in Europe. The elite won't be the ones to suffer. And nor will it just be minorities taking the hit, as the hicks in this country and the US will find out in the next two decades. The only (imperfect) solution was progressive politics, but even Hilary, in the pocket of Wall St, wasn't offering that.

Oh, and the US spend @ 50% of tax receipts on defence. Almost all of this if pump-primed back into the American economy as their whole inventory, practically, is made in the US. Much the same economics as Hitler, to be honest! If Trump really does slashes corporate tax, and people take his lead in tax evasion too, where's this coming from? Future debt? Are the US planning to sell even more useless systems that we can't use such as Trident to suckers like ourselves? Where is this going? The US economy depends crucially on defence spend and taxes cycle. Where are these new factories coming from, and where is their product going?
 
So predictions:

Internally (USA)

Errosion equal rights, what's left of freedom of the press. freedom of the individual.

Worsening race relations with even heavier handed law enforcement in minority areas.

Globally

Well I think Environmental Protection is dead. Trump is a denier and Russia and China will jump on it.

Assad will have his state reinstated by a combined Russian/US support.

US war with Iran..nuclear agreement will be torn up, they'll react and Trump will react...might not be long enough for this to happen over 4 years but..I predict an Iran takeover of Iraq. will Trump accept this as stability in the region being forced from within or will he react?

Step up in Russian imperialism in Eastern Europe. while I think Trump will give voice to continued support to NATO now he'll not give enough to allow any substantial reaction to Russian movement in this area.

Trade protectionism particular with China (the Mexico thing is mweh with regards to global security).

Instability in the south China Sea area..China can't afford a trade war...they'll become increasingly imperialist in this area...Will Trump really leave Japan, South Korea and Taiwan to deal with themselves? Either way...increased chance of a hot war in area eventually. China will also become more aggressive in expanding its sphere of influence on the African continent.

Bounce back economic downturn globally and in the US if Trump puts through his economic plans. only manufacturing jobs he'll be able to create are military ...so he'll need a couple of wars to justify that...deficit will become a joke word.

While I'm not quite thinking domino effect. both this and Brexit might energise far right in Germany, France, Poland etc...


Yay! welcome to the 1930's
 
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donga darko said:
I mean it in the context of being delusional about Hartlepool Man's fantasies about about new factories being opened up in every town - not if the Chinese, Indians and Brazillians starting knocking out cheap copies of everything there won't be.

We all know (and despise) that the elite (like Trump) are'taking the piss', as you put it, but the elite will ride this wave of populism and adapt it, as they did with 30's populism in Europe. The elite won't be the ones to suffer. And nor will it just be minorities taking the hit, as the hicks in this country and the US will find out in the next two decades. The only (imperfect) solution was progressive politics, but even Hilary, in the pocket of Wall St, wasn't offering that.

Oh, and the US spend @ 50% of tax receipts on defence. Almost all of this if pump-primed back into the American economy as their whole inventory, practically, is made in the US. Much the same economics as Hitler, to be honest! If Trump really does slashes corporate tax, and people take his lead in tax evasion too, where's this coming from? Future debt? Are the US planning to sell even more useless systems that we can't use such as Trident to suckers like ourselves? Where is this going? The US economy depends crucially on defence spend and taxes cycle. Where are these new factories coming from, and where is their product going?
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Agreed... i was giving an analysis, i don't actually think trump will do anything but fill his boots in.

The only silver lining out of this is that trump is brown nosing putin whereas hillary wanted a no fly zone in syria. Hopefully the Syrian conflict can end sooner than later.

Also the GBP has gone up so we are all a bit richer
 
BobbyD said:
Agreed... i was giving an analysis, i don't actually think trump will do anything but fill his boots in.

The only silver lining out of this is that trump is brown nosing putin whereas hillary wanted a no fly zone in syria. Hopefully the Syrian conflict can end sooner than later.

Also the GBP has gone up so we are all a bit richer
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My savings accounts, which I'm using to pay off my interest only mortgage, have already lost 3%. They actually went up in sterling value as the pound fell. Thank you USA, ****ing high-sixing, inbred hicks. :cry:
 
Once i read yesterday (and posted it) that the biggest item on exit polls was change I knew really it wasn't good.

At this point the biggest issue is its 100% red over there so that means change will come.. just not the change voted for.

i found trump basically taking the nationalist socialist line of building infrastructure as the way to get everyone working quite funny. however having actually been over there the place is falling down.

the German complain about not up keeping their roads cos the east Germans got all the investment but its quite hilarious really cos they are talking about a slight rumble noise as the autobahn isn't as smooth as brand new.

in the US literally the place is mostly falling apart.

Trump could spend 4 years internally focused frankly. who knows. disassembly of obama care will occur within 3 months, then this road building? etc etc... the best cas eis he slashes taxes, drives grotwth in a bubble and focuses internally and we will all get by.

The worst case is he actually looks outside his borders

I note with distain the amount of I'm leaving the us celebs who will now do an about face. like sledge licking twerker miley cyrus.. a paragon of decency herself.

the fact is call them hicks if you want donga but they are just people and they were not being listen to. same as over here. People will vote for madness to get heard it seems.



We will just have to wait and see what they do next.
 
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Krome said:
Considering the nature of one of the candidates, it shouldn't be a surprise that a large number of people were dishonest about which way they were going to vote
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true. the democrats really only have themselves to blame for it.

the reality is after 8 years of obama and the red houses the minorites got faff all and didn't turn out.
 
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