Effect of Brexit

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Bolton's Boots said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-vote-on-triggering-article-50-politics-live?

Brilliant!! One in the eye for May - High Court rule that MPs must have a say in triggering Article 50
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That hateful rag the Express, whose sole use is emergency toilet-paper, had the word "Remoaners" on its front page this morning. What would the word be for the Leavers?

Great news. It won't save the country from the damage initially done by the vote, but it will hopefully be positive in the long term.
 
The exit brigade told people that they would be voting to reclaim the sovereignty of Parliament. Seems as if they are going to get their way.

The government could have accepted the ruling, but have chosen to appeal it. Seems that they are quite happy for everything to be slowed down.
 
The pound has jumped against the Peso.

Guess all the judge who made the ruling had booked to come here on hilday and wanted to get more for his coin...
 
Bolton's Boots said:
Bugger - I knew it couldn't last. I'd made a nice little wad transferring money from Australia - was hoping to gradually pay off my mortgage in full. Made a nice dent in it though... :)
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Well done BB. After the rise of the £ v the € today I am better off by one cent. :emoticon-0106-cryin
 
I really do not understand you British people. You vote to leave the ESB, then the side that lost start complaining and causing problems, British fair play allows them to do this. What happened to your democracy?
 
geitungur akureyrar said:
I really do not understand you British people. You vote to leave the ESB, then the side that lost start complaining and causing problems, British fair play allows them to do this. What happened to your democracy?
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The debate is no longer about 'Brexit' or 'no Brexit', but rather about principles - the Brexiters fought their campaign around returning sovereignty to the British Parliament, and Parliament is going to do just that.

As a footnote I do not think that if the Brexiters had lost the referendum by 52% to 48% that they would have said 'well played sir' and accepted the result as being permanent - in fact Farage had said words to that effect before the referendum. There would be nothing 'undemocratic' about declaring such a result as inconclusive and asking for a second referendum on a matter of this importance - governments ask for second elections Worldwide if the result delivers a mandate which is unworkable. Also, if Britain does actually end up leaving, it will be around 2019-2020, when the will of the electorate (once a few have popped off and others have reached voting age) may well be different to what it is now. Would it be democratic to leave the EU. in 2-3 years time if the majority then is against it ?
 
geitungur akureyrar said:
I really do not understand you British people. You vote to leave the ESB, then the side that lost start complaining and causing problems, British fair play allows them to do this. What happened to your democracy?
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There are so many factors involved AK - there's no easy answer to that. :(

*The referendum was only ever advisory anyway, not binding.

*Any Democracy usually takes the form of 'the people' voting in their choice of representative to act on their behalf in parliament - it's those representatives who then make the decisions, not the people. In this instance, Theresa May 'declared' that parliament would have no input into triggering Article 50 or negotiating the terms of Britain's exit from EU - that's more the act of a dictator rather than a democratic leader.

*There are four countries that make up the UK, each with their own parliament - each with varying degrees of power. Two of those countries quite categorically voted to remain within the EU but have basically been told 'bad luck'. The parliaments of three of those countries have been told they have no say whatsoever in the negotiations - not exactly how partners in a union expect to be treated.

*There are large numbers of people - and media - who voted Leave who seemed to view their referendum victory as licence to persecute 'foreigners in their country' - this seems to have caused others who voted with them to reconsider their attitudes.

And those are just for starters...
 
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geitungur akureyrar said:
I really do not understand you British people. You vote to leave the ESB, then the side that lost start complaining and causing problems, British fair play allows them to do this. What happened to your democracy?
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I am sure that you understand a lot better than some of the tabloid press. Government composes three strands, Westminster, the executive and the judiciary. When the executive try to ride rough shod over the MPs the judges are brought in to rule on the law. It comes to something when people outside of Westminster have to ask judges to rule on the behaviour of the executive. It is quite acceptable to ask for the High Court to make a ruling. If it were not a democracy then the common man/woman would not have the right to ask a question.
 
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